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Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperbovine wrote: post #185
glenstein wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is confidently repeated but extremely misleading claim that seems to pop up ad nauseam in the comment sections. They spend more now on development than they ever have in their history, and the CEO spending is something like 1.6% of the budget, which I don't love, but which is not enough to sustain the narrative of all the money being siphoned into executives. They also break down spending into a pie chart of dif…

1.6% is insane though. That would be like Google, Apple, or MSFT paying their CEO $4-6 billion a year.

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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by zb3 »

szmarczak wrote: post #283
zb3 wrote: post #103

Stop suggesting this Firefox crap which is not only much slower but it also can't even properly manage RAM usage on mobile, leading to app being killed on my low-RAM device, chrome can deal with it even though that's a "desktop" version with extensions for a much newer high end device. Restricting webRequestBlocking (but it's not going away, just needs a policy extension) and synchronous executeScript did in practice…

You obviously don't know how Android works. When an app hasn't been open for a while and it has no background tasks, it gets put to sleep. Waking it up takes a second. You can delay that by selecting the app in the settings and choosing its Battery setting to Unrestricted, however, despite its name, it will still get suspended The checks are poorly coded. Even on Unrestricted, if you play music from a web player, the…

Man, I backported freezer v2 cgroup implementation into 4.4 kernel so these cached tasks are suspended, don't tell me how Android works please :)

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by drdexebtjl »

Noaidi wrote: post #126
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

I prefer an ad (and porn, gambling, social media) blocking host file myself.

A lot of sites serve their ads from the same domains as their actual content nowadays.

So if you really don't want to ever see ads again, you need something at the application layer.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by zb3 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #204
zb3 wrote: post #103

Stop suggesting this Firefox crap which is not only much slower but it also can't even properly manage RAM usage on mobile, leading to app being killed on my low-RAM device, chrome can deal with it even though that's a "desktop" version with extensions for a much newer high end device. Restricting webRequestBlocking (but it's not going away, just needs a policy extension) and synchronous executeScript did in practice…

How little RAM does your phone have? My Moto G4 Power (less than $200, before the RAM crunch much less) with 2 GB runs Firefox hunky-dory, and I'm one of those triple-digit tab people.

It's not about the number of (possibly sleeping) tabs, it's about how FF doesn't manage those active ones to prevent the app from crashing.. try opening 10 instagram profiles (via open in new tab) in the web browser.

I told you all that Chrome doesn't crash, FF does + pages work much slower.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by systems »

entropie wrote: post #208
systems wrote: post #195

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how are they obviously semi shady? whats shady about brave?

https://lobste.rs/s/iopw1d/what_s_up_with_lobste_rs_blocking...

yea this is bad, i had kinda forgotten about this https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45#issue...

i dont know, firefox is very buggy and unstable, crashes or just log me out of everything every few weeks, we dont really have great choices, wishful thinking, but i hope brave straightened up

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by halJordan »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #287
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

"Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive." That "keep the web open" nonsense is a myth, spread by Mozilla press releases People who use Firefox, not all of them, "keep open internet [read: www] alive" If Firefox exists and does the job for them, then they'll use it. These users write the add-ons to do "ad blocking", not Mozilla If Mozilla closes the door on "ad…

I'll never understand the "I hate FF for taking google money. That's why I use chrome." When something is so egregious incongruous then it should be a red flag.

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Post by dwaite »

throw0101a wrote: post #229
tapoxi wrote: post #120

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Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

> Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Firefox, originally "Phoenix" when it was first released, originally had 0% and made it up to 30%. There's no technical reason why it can go higher from 2%. If the folks that started Phoenix/Firefox thought the same way you did, when IE was the top dog, we wouldn't have it in the first place because they would have things were "lost". They decided things were no…

That was with a lot of technical innovation against a static competitor. Firefox isn't in nearly as good of a position when it comes to either technology or resources now.

It would be possible for a surge in contributors to bring it back up to a double digit percentage, but I don't think manifest v3 is going to be the catalyst for that.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by buzer »

ldom66 wrote: post #256
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #16

Firefox is the only sane option. It’s not perfect but it’s better than the alternatives. Chromium forks are at the mercy of Google doing everything they can to stop ad blocking. Firefox forks are often maintain by just “some dude”. If they decide they don’t want to maintain it anymore, it’s done. If everyone switches to a fork and then Firefox goes away because nobody is using the browser anymore, it’s done.

I see a lot of people saying that Firefox is not as good as Chrome. Do you have any examples of things Chrome does that Firefox doesn't? Genuinely curious, I have been alternating between Chrome and Firefox for the past two decades and last time I switched back to Firefox was 2 years ago, and I haven't had any performance/compability/feature concerns at all. (Full disclosure I use Zen, not vanilla Firefox)

Firefox leaks memory. When I have it open for long time the memory usage will increase and even if I were to close all tabs & do memory minimization it will still use multiple gigabytes of memory.

While I cannot be sure, I assume that is the cause of the general slowdown I experience as well.

Restarting Firefox will fix free up the memory & fix the slowness. I do still use it as my primary browser despite these issues.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by manithree »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #287
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

"Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive." That "keep the web open" nonsense is a myth, spread by Mozilla press releases People who use Firefox, not all of them, "keep open internet [read: www] alive" If Firefox exists and does the job for them, then they'll use it. These users write the add-ons to do "ad blocking", not Mozilla If Mozilla closes the door on "ad…

That's a lot of words to leave me completely unconvinced that Chrome is better than Firefox for an open www.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by buzer »

upfrog wrote: post #288
ldom66 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of people saying that Firefox is not as good as Chrome. Do you have any examples of things Chrome does that Firefox doesn't? Genuinely curious, I have been alternating between Chrome and Firefox for the past two decades and last time I switched back to Firefox was 2 years ago, and I haven't had any performance/compability/feature concerns at all. (Full disclosure I use Zen, not vanilla Firefox)

Two things that I noticed: - Firefox did crash on me more frequently. It wasn't a daily, or even a weekly thing, but it was more of a problem. - Firefox limits how small I can shrink my tabs in the tab bar. Chrome also has a limit, but it is much less restrictive. That last one was the killer difference for me. Firefox wants me to be able to see (at least part of) the title of each tab, even if that means I can't see…

> - Firefox limits how small I can shrink my tabs in the tab bar.

This can be changed via chrome/userChrome.css.

Mine is:

  @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
  
  .tabbrowser-tab {
    min-width: 3em !important;
    clip-width: 3em !important;
    
  }
  
  [uidensity="compact"]:root {
    --tab-min-height: 30px !important;
    --newtab-margin: -3px 0 -3px -3px !important;
  }
  
  .tabbrowser-tab {
    max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
  }
  
  .tabs-newtab-button{
    margin: var(--newtab-margin) !important;
  }
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