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Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by sosuke »

worldsavior wrote: post #106
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

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Just an FYI there are many efforts already available to clean and or provide a clean Firefox.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by novafunc »

vachina wrote: post #182
fg137 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most (real world, not HN) users don't really notice any difference between MV2 and MV3 based extensions.

MV3 won't (and will not) block Youtube ads properly. There's the entire point of removing MV2.

I just tested Chromium with uBlock Origin Lite (default settings, aka "Optimal") and had no issue blocking YouTube ads.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by insanitybit »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #70
rpdillon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave has an interesting approach where they have added core support for four key MV2 extensions to the core of the browser engine, bypassing MV3 entirely. > Update: As of v1.81, we host the following Manifest V2 (MV2) extensions on Brave’s backend: AdGuard, uBO, uMatrix, NoScript. These extensions operate independently from the equivalent versions that are currently present on the Chrome Web Store, and have to be do…

I just don’t see this being sustainable long term when you’re upstream is doing everything they can to sabotage you. This is a huge maintenance burden for Brave and eventually there might be a breaking change introduced by Google that just makes this approach no longer tenable. Mozilla is extremely friendly to content blockers, and does everything they can to make sure they are well supported as first class citizens.

How is Google doing "everything they can to sabotage you"? MV2's deprecation timeline was set in 2021, slipping further repeatedly. This is after they had already started the plan in 2018. It's been nearly a decade.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

zb3 wrote: post #103

Stop suggesting this Firefox crap which is not only much slower but it also can't even properly manage RAM usage on mobile, leading to app being killed on my low-RAM device, chrome can deal with it even though that's a "desktop" version with extensions for a much newer high end device. Restricting webRequestBlocking (but it's not going away, just needs a policy extension) and synchronous executeScript did in practice…

How little RAM does your phone have? My Moto G4 Power (less than $200, before the RAM crunch much less) with 2 GB runs Firefox hunky-dory, and I'm one of those triple-digit tab people.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by siren2026 »

kyrra wrote: post #45

Googler, opinions are my own. My understanding is they're doing this in the name of security, though it obviously has some benefit to ads. this policy more closely aligns with what Safari does today. And it prevents add-ons from scraping information since they have to put in the block list ahead of time. I've been using manifest v3 version of Adblock and it's worked just fine for me. But obviously is not perfect, but…

Aaah the beautiful inability to see what is so obvious because your salary depends on it.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by GeekyBear »

bastawhiz wrote: post #166
GeekyBear wrote: post #56

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> For uBlock Origin users on Chrome, there’s uBlock Origin Lite. However, the Lite version “allows some tracking, its blocklist is a fraction of what the original blocked, and it can't perform the dynamic filtering that made the original effective,” https://www.pcmag.com/news/googles-next-chrome-update-will-f...

I guess that's what the GP and I are both saying we didn't feel. I have no idea what benefit "dynamic filtering" provides. It sounds good on paper but having tried both versions, I can't tell the experiences apart. I don't see ads, pages load fast, and that seems like enough? Actually, I'll take that back. I used to see far more stuff get blocked (e.g., when clicking links) than with Lite. Which is to say, Lite feels…

When sites attempt to block users who use ad blocking extensions, dynamic filtering allows well written ad blockers to continue to work.

For instance:

> Last year, Google/YouTube ramped up its efforts against ad-blockers, preventing playback for users with the software installed on their devices, coercing them to disable it.

Users continued to exploit loopholes in browsers and third-party extensions, such as Firefox, that allowed them to bypass YouTube's ads while watching videos. However, the tech giant has seemingly doubled down on its efforts against ad-blockers, closing the few remaining loopholes

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/streaming-video...

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by entropie »

systems wrote: post #195
entropie wrote: post #177

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I used brave a bit and really liked it. But its obvious that these guys are semi shady and they will show sooner or later. I liked chrome derviates and used them over a decade. I got tired of feeling forced to switch after vivaldi/brave so I went the firefox way last year. The circle is completed.

how are they obviously semi shady? whats shady about brave?

https://lobste.rs/s/iopw1d/what_s_up_with_lobste_rs_blocking...

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Post by Marsymars »

tapoxi wrote: post #120
polairscience wrote: post #40

And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

What does it matter for users if it's at 2% if it works better than the alternatives?

Lots of products and services have small market share and are better than the market leaders.

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