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Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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post #36

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Does Switzerland hate Indians or something?

Without revealing too much...I hired one when I worked in a senior role at a major financial institution, and apparently some (older Swiss) people in the team called him "curry person" to his face and told him he wasn't really [demonym for his naturalized European nationality]. So that was cool and nice.

What's wrong with curry? Curry is great.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Pure bullshit. Even the Swiss tabloid don't invent "rumours" as ludicrous as your anti-indian lie.

The amount of xenophobia, generally coming from very non-native, non-Cherokee or very non-Apache American individuals is absurd. _Immigration is only cool as long as it's my favourite ethnic groups_ state of mind.

> The amount of xenophobia, generally coming from very non-native, non-Cherokee or very non-Apache American individuals is absurd.

You may want to clear or reset your AI chat context. Your earlier reply about its not "Crazy Horse or Geronimo sitting in the white house" Really did a number on its output regarding Indians here -- its not the Cherokee that some swiss worry about over-immigrating to their country.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Actually, if wages are high and taxes are low, chances are that the birth rate will rise :-) And yes, the principle of public policy should be to care for one's own people first. Maybe India should have not been so nationalistic and allowed the English rulers to stay, so that financiers in London could continue to make fortunes out of the empire? How petty and egoistical of the Indians, right?

> Actually, if wages are high and taxes are low, chances are that the birth rate will rise Absolutely incorrect. There is not one case of this happening, infact it’s the exact opposite. It’s a common fallacy. The only correlation for birth rate is that it is inversely correlated with women’s education.

It depends where you are, and the local culture. Besides, if a society wants to have less children, it's a choice that doesn't imply the need for immigration. Let people bear the consequences.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

#274
post #208

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That’s their point. Switzerland is a nation of immigrants. We don’t tend to be portrayed as such outside. And the SVP tends to forget this. (As does the GOP.)

Are you Swiss? I thought you were American from previous interactions.

> Are you Swiss? I thought you were American from previous interactions

I’m more than one thing. (But only vote in two places.)

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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> Actually, if wages are high and taxes are low, chances are that the birth rate will rise Absolutely incorrect. There is not one case of this happening, infact it’s the exact opposite. It’s a common fallacy. The only correlation for birth rate is that it is inversely correlated with women’s education.

It depends where you are, and the local culture. Besides, if a society wants to have less children, it's a choice that doesn't imply the need for immigration. Let people bear the consequences.

I don’t think any nation is willing to bear the consequence of functional extinction in the next 100 years like South Korea is facing.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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post #187

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When do they stop being immigrants? If you think people who waited more than a decade and paid a hefty sum to affirm their will to be citizens are second-class (or maybe even traitors!) compared to people who became citizen by making no effort and were just born that way...

I recently got the Swiss passport but I'm still very much an immigrant. I am also a dual citizen, and frankly, hold not much love for this country. It's a secondary thing to me, the way having a nice car is: yeah it's nice, yeah I wouldn't want to give it up, but no it's not my identity and it's not the end of the world, despite me possessing it. I did not "wait" for it. I came here, worked a bunch, made more money t…

Not everyone has a mentality of mercenary like you and your circle of "friends".

> to think otherwise is NONSENSE.

Is it, or are you just scared shitless to have had the wrong outlook on life all your life, and don't want to even entertain the idea lest your whole psyche be revealed as a hollow valueless shell?

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

#277
post #52

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> While they're at it, they should kick out the French, the Germans, the Italians, and any other immigrants refusing to speak Swiss. What's this Swiss language you speak of? I never heard of it. You must mean Romansh but that's only 0.5% of the population or so. You'd have to kick out 95.5% of the Swiss population too then?

That’s their point. Switzerland is a nation of immigrants. We don’t tend to be portrayed as such outside. And the SVP tends to forget this. (As does the GOP.)

Ah you're right. I did miss their sarcasm. Sometimes you can't tell online

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Immigrants do not suppress wages, business owners do. The solution there is the same solution as the US. If the US introduced a (for example) 4x median salary fine for every year an employer employed someone not legally eligible to work the problem would fix itself. If they did not keep records assume 5 years or whenever the person's visa expired, since that is the most common case of illegal immigration. But the bus…

>Immigrants do not suppress wages, business owners do. Of course business owners suppress wages. By using immigrants as leverage to tilt the supply/demand of labor in their favor. Duh.

Businesses seldom set the immigration policy. They just try to get value for money like everyone else.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Then do like UAE? No permanent residency or naturalization

Amnesty International report that things are fairly bad in the UAE for foreign workers. https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-af...

Depends which foreign workers. It's popular with Brits. Iffier legal protections but no 50% tax.
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