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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

Canada had a school shooter that used ai tools and the public has not been informed of what happened in the chat

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Not sure why you're getting downvoted, or why the narrative here is all about this being payback for the Department of Whatever-the-fuck thing. Dario has been spouting how his models are too dangerous, thinking he was playing 3D chess and got owned from my perspective. And there's the possiblility of insider plays by the current administration w/ OpenAI or SpaceX. But Dario was running his own propaganda machine and…

> or why the narrative here is all about this being payback The 'narrative' is focused on the corruption because government corruption is a big deal! Even when it's not truly surprising, and even when you have no sympathy for the (immediate) losers, it should be somewhat shocking, or else what are we even doing here. You talk about Anthropic giving the government 'enough rope' and getting 'owned', which seems like a…

> You talk about Anthropic giving the government 'enough rope' and getting 'owned', which seems like a tacit acknowledgement that the government does not give a shit about whatever the surface-level justification for this ban is.

I think you’re whitewashing Dario’s abhorrent behavior, and you think I’m whitewashing the government’s.

Unfortunately there’s no law against being a piece of shit and trying to pull the ladder up behind you, lobby for locking out your competitors under the guise of safety, etc..

So I have to settle for him getting swallowed by the morons he was influencing.

And if you think his concerns over safety were genuine I have a bridge to sell you.

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I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

Easy. You just have to have a good relationship with POTUS administration to have your investment secure.

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The lack of a logical foundation isn't the novelty. The whole system has run on whims and backfilled reasoning for a long time. That's the problem . If it had always been the rule of law until now then we would have an apparatus set up to impose checks and balances and accountability on government officials, but because those things have so atrophied from continuous contempt and neglect, no one knows how to demonstra…

While I agree as implemented today our system of checks and balances is faltering, those systems do exist. Separation of powers and our three branch system was designed precisely to try and force checks on power. It may be failing, but the problem isn't that those systems weren't put in place.

In significant part it's because those checks were removed.

Laws are supposed to come from Congress, but by volume most rules the public is subject to now come from unelected administrative agencies in the executive branch. That's a clear violation of the separation of powers.

Members of the US Senate, which laws are supposed to have to pass through, which confirm federal judges, and which do the impeachment trials, were originally appointed by the state legislatures, i.e. represented the states, until they were changed to be directly elected. The public's direct representatives were intended to be the House -- and House districts were intended to be small, until the number of seats was capped. So now the states have no representation in the federal government, and neither House districts nor state-wide Senate seats have small enough constituencies for individuals to be meaningfully heard by their representatives.

Juries have the right to do jury nullification and it's one of the most powerful tools against bad laws. If you're on a jury and you think that it's the law which is wrong rather than the defendant's actions, you are not required to convict them. But defendants are essentially prohibited from telling juries that, so it almost never happens. Likewise, the list of procedural safeguards that were meant to protect people against abusive government prosecutions have been eroded to such an extent in the name of expedient mass incarceration that the freedom of any given person is down to the inclination of the government to charge them with something. Which in turn allows the government to govern through threats and demand things they have no right to demand, since they now have the ability to charge anyone with something else if they don't do whatever the government wants, regardless of whether the law requires them to do what they're being pressured to do, or even whether it's constitutionally permissible to make someone do that.

This is all very bad but it's also not new. And it's what enables a tyrant when one comes, which is why it has needed to be fixed for some time now. But the best time to bolster checks and balances is before you remove them and the second best time is very soon.

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I'm not sure how to weigh the previous administrations war on crypto and the current ones complete embracing of it. Not only does the president literally have his own cryptocurrency, they're trying hard to create a digital dollar based on crypto and likely amounting to public bank accounts directly with the federal reserve.

The thread is about administration and regulation/banning technology and that previous administrations would not have.

I don't see any evidence that would happen, but this is all speculation by everyone so it really doesn't matter.

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Refusing to enact new laws around a thing most people don’t like, don’t want, and don’t care about (oh and is used for scams often) is quite different than a secret back door war.

"around a thing most people don’t like"

Liking or not liking has nothing to do with it, this is literally the job of the government. Why do you think states started enacting their own crypto regulation laws (NYDFS) because the administration did 0.

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Yes you’re right. Paying off POTUS’s family through a series of pump and dump schemes is much better than what Biden did.

At least their is clarity on what is allowed or not. As much as you hate crypto, the jobs of the gov is to enact these laws and enforce them. Biden had a secret war, that is not how you run a Gov.

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The crypto "industry" had a series of multi-$B scams, seems like strong regulation would be called for. On the other hand, Trump executed a rug pulling token for himself and his wife days before his 2nd term and sells pardons to fraudsters and money launders. I know that inspires confidence.

And Biden ran a secret covert war using the banking system which is also questionably legal. At least with the current you know what is happening and what is allowed.
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