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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Probably using the rule of law in some way? Talking about it in public? Legislating? You know... government type stuff?

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The crypto "industry" had a series of multi-$B scams, seems like strong regulation would be called for. On the other hand, Trump executed a rug pulling token for himself and his wife days before his 2nd term and sells pardons to fraudsters and money launders. I know that inspires confidence.

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I have to imagine that this could be the result of Anthropic C-Levels catastrophizing to push the idea their product is so powerful that it is also very dangerous and that opened them up to the government responded in kind. In other words I have to imagine they probably did this to themselves and should probably dial down the catastrophizing.

Anthropic has been trying to be a trust me bro and an I know better than you steward. All while Dario has been crying wolf since 2017. Not that I like the current administration. They are horrible human beings. But this effective altruism first from SBF and now from Amodei kills me too. There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us. They fu…

"There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us."

Very powerful people are making decisions for the rest of us! If you have a plan to change that, I'm listening; in the meantime, I much prefer when they have some desire to do good, and a willingness to discuss and think about what that entails, than when they quietly act amorally (or, worse and not exactly uncommon, unashamedly act maliciously).

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Isn't that what the entire billionaire class has been doing for decades though? Making profit go up and up while destroying national security? They don't seem to feel it's a net negative.

No? I'm really not sure what you could be referring to. Tech billionaires are if anything too willing to follow the government's lead on national security; they don't seem to have particularly minded the whole PRISM saga, even knowing that it would fatally compromise their relationships with privacy organizations.

National security doesn't mean the MIC, it means the factors that enable the country to continue to exist.

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> Crowdstrike took down airports in July 2024, and its stock was back up by October; it's double the price now. Everyone saw how systemically important it was and how it took down entire industries, and they asked why they weren't using it themselves if it's so important. See also the 2025 cloud outages. Truly, too big to fail. Capitalism is broken when companies aren't punished but rewarded for screwing up. What poi…

Not even limitoto companies, if you prevent a problem you get fired because your work isn't visible, if you create a problem and then fix it you're a hero

meant to write: not even limited to companies

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Not that I'm ever one to support anything this regime does but I'm kind of okay with them pumping the brakes on this until we really get a handle on what the The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips to thermal imaging with "national security" implications for a while and now they're doing it but it seems people don't like how ill defined "Mythos-class" means. Would it be better if it was some %…

"pumping the brakes" would be fine. This is slamming to a full stop on a crowded freeway and causing a three car pile-up. Warning and advanced notice are the difference between regulation and tyranny, and in this case we're just getting tyranny

It's not even that. If Anthropic finds a way to variate citizenship the cat is back out of the bag. None of the AI-related worries I've ever heard about are addressed by limiting access to US citizens.

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"pumping the brakes" would be fine. This is slamming to a full stop on a crowded freeway and causing a three car pile-up. Warning and advanced notice are the difference between regulation and tyranny, and in this case we're just getting tyranny

Given the current climate I'd be inclined to declare "tyranny" also but in this case I think given the degree of potential damage the slamming on of brakes is warranted when the alternative is, to strain a metaphor, going full speed off a cliff at relativistic speeds.

They didn't slam on the brakes though. They asked access to be limited to US citizens which ended up being hard to implement but is implementable and IMO addresses zero real concerns.

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I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I can't really say that Anthropic didn't get what they deserved. They exploited security threats to sell their product and play political games, and now their rivals are rubbing it in their faces.

anthropic would see a crazy boost to its ipo for releasing " so good that we had to ban it" model .

i dont see how it effects them negatively at all given their opus models are already on par or exceed any other model out there.

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I cannot say much, but people interpret this wrongly. It's not that there is a jailbreak per se. It's that someone could reproduce their internal codebase which somehow got leaked to the training data.

You mean Amazon's codebase?

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putting my old man cap on and I would like to weigh in on the US admin export control on Mythos. It does remind me of the mid-1990s when suddenly asymmetric cryptographic tools such as PGP became a reality and a wide usage possible due to the growing base of internet users. Governments (US, France…) did not understand how to regulate and banned export (and asked users to apply for a licence). I do see a strong parall…

Whether or not you think it's a good thing, controlling LLMs is arguably a lot more effective than cryptography. For crypto as long as you have at least one currently unbreakable algo out there (which fits on a single page of code/math), there's not really much point to regulating it. And to use crypto. the client has to know the algorithm details.

LLMs are already being kept closed weight/source by default. On the client side it's just a generic API client. The underlying technology (weights) wasn't going to be exported even if allowed.

But what's more interesting isn't binary access or not--it's monitoring the chat content, and potentially influencing its replies. (Perhaps the old GPS SA is a better analogy than encryption export.) For example, model providers could be required to allow the government to detect suspected foreign government users and silently degrade performance. They could be required to flag potential exploit discoveries and then send them to CISA for remediation. Or, they could be required to inject disinformation about sensitive topics so that even if you jailbreak, the model is incapable of discussing topics like, say, the presidential motorcade or the design of military bases.

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