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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by gopher_space »

lumost wrote: post #330
thayne wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason I can see is because Amazon wanted something like this to happen. But I'm not sure what Amazon would gain from that, since they don't have their own competing frontier models.

This is either a complete own goal by Amazon… a play to consolidate compute/model access. Will Chinese models be allowed on the market… at all? Will startups be banned from training models of equivalent capacity?

At this point would I be outsourcing my knowledge work or would I be entering self-exile?

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

grodriguez100 wrote: post #232
Chance-Device wrote: post #228

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Or in my favourite formulation: “Never assume conspiracy where mere incompetence will do”.

Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Hanlons razor has fucked us, voters tolerate unlimited malice as long as the politicians can demonstrate they are genuinely incompetent

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by g42gregory »

So I logged into the Claude Code and their fabled Fable 5 model is "not available". Because it's "so good" and "so dangerous" that I can't have it.

Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good.

But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.

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Post by no-name-here »

swyx wrote: post #313
eranation wrote: post #209

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Interesting point. Just a small correction, the Anthropic stake is higher. ($13B + another $20B option if they hit certain milestones, which I believe is almost guaranteed) So it's closer to $33B In any case, there is no reason for them to purposefully hurt Anthropic. I would say that this government "takedown" of Mythos is great free advertising. I mean, if you look at this, they said it's too risky to launch, we al…

> the technical savviness of this administration is not the thing it's most famous for you cast aspersions here but honestly name one in the last 50 years that is more tech literate

Isn’t Trump’s Science and Technology Advisors Council pretty much entirely made up of Trump donors, rich investors, and/or cryptocurrency CEOs, whereas pretty much every other president included legitimate science and technology advisors on it? (I last checked 2 or 3 months ago.)

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Post by rnfhfbfh »

g42gregory wrote: post #383

So I logged into the Claude Code and their fabled Fable 5 model is "not available". Because it's "so good" and "so dangerous" that I can't have it. Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good. But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.

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Post by lazystar »

himata4113 wrote: post #312
zozbot234 wrote: post #302

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> First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. This is quite relevant if true. People have tried to argue for this restriction by claiming the exact opposite, i.e. that a basic jailbreak of Fable immediately exposes Mythos's cyber offense capabilities. E.g. https://news.ycom…

I mean it's possible that I just haven't found the secret sauce or I'm running into the invisible guardrails and that people have much stronger jailbreaks than I do. However, I would not rule out openai involvement in all of this.

> I mean it's possible that I just haven't found the secret sauce

its possible that no one cracks it during the window of time where the product is useful and would pose a risk if cracked, but never forget that the first rule of security is nothing is ever 100% secure.

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Post by g42gregory »

rnfhfbfh wrote: post #385
g42gregory wrote: post #383

So I logged into the Claude Code and their fabled Fable 5 model is "not available". Because it's "so good" and "so dangerous" that I can't have it. Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good. But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.

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Personal attacks are, perhaps, not the way to go.

If you have any substantiative rebuttals, post it.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by andsoitis »

softwaredoug wrote: post #337
themgt wrote: post #278

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I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast moving and unpredictable technology?

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Post by inigyou »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #133
sumeno wrote: post #58

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Yeah... because Amazon is famous for caring about safety over profits...

If Amazon's stake in Anthropic goes up 10x, but American national security is fatally compromised in the process, I kinda doubt that's net profitable for Amazon. They're not going to be able to deliver in 2 days or hit AWS sales targets if everyone's drowning in cyberattacks.

Isn't that what the entire billionaire class has been doing for decades though? Making profit go up and up while destroying national security? They don't seem to feel it's a net negative.
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