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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by skeptic_ai »

baq wrote: post #195
logicchains wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the end goal is that only regulated US companies can use Fable, that is a pretty good outcome for Amazon It's a terrible outcome for Amazon because it destroys Anthropic's revenue. Roughly half of Anthropic's customers are foreigners, and they wouldn't use Anthropic if its next generation model was banned while other providers' next generation models aren't. And if the US follows through and bans all Mythos-level…

Immediate revenue impact is basically 0 - nobody cancels their Claude sub because Fable isn’t why they got it in the first place (by nobody I mean like 1% of total users and they’re likely net neutral tokenmaxxers for revenue). Signal to OpenAI and Google is clear: can’t release too smart models or they get controlled. It follows there is no danger to revenue since other providers are forced to plateau at the same le…

Why China wouldn’t release?

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Post by SecretDreams »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #165
SecretDreams wrote: post #140

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It means they don't care enough to meaningfully make sacrifices for change. To deal with school shootings is to change the constitution. The American constitution is basically wired for school shootings. To change the constitution is basically a civil war. Things aren't binary. Many people care deeply about school shootings. But they don't have the means or power to organize to stop them and, individually, they are p…

They’re not binary, but when an issue persists for decades, over the course of multiple administrations, and political landscape… it shows either the country is incompetent in terms of solving an issue, or the issue is not a priority. I wholeheartedly believe US can solve issues when it’s an important one. And thus, I think, for an average American it’s not an issue. Decades is a very long timeframe. Countries have a…

> I wholeheartedly believe US can solve issues when it’s an important one.

What's the last important issue in the US that was democratically resolved?

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Post by econ »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

It is important to note this formula doesn't require understanding any subject.

People keep seeking logic where there is non. We have an internet full of theories assuming there is more to it.

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Post by SecretDreams »

nish__ wrote: post #179
SecretDreams wrote: post #63

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It's just harder to get the average joe charged up to fight a battle with anything meaningful on the line. Americans are used to living relatively cushy lives where they don't sacrifice their QOL to make the lives of their countrymen better. The closest thing to that are people in the military, and it's probably been a while since the US military is improving QOL, on average. People will continue to be complacent on…

Enforcing the global use of the petro dollar is what keeps Americans living cushy lives so be careful disrespecting the military personel.

My post was not disrespectful. It was matter of fact. And if the Petro Dollar only persists by use of force or perceived force, it's probably not a sustainable system for humanity. So hopefully we can go back to a soft power maintained Petro Dollar?

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Post by olyjohn »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #183
graphime wrote: post #45

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> I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.

Well they happen in schools and children don’t vote. If this had been a wave of senior center shootings, something would have been done a long, long time ago.

This is not a good argument. Children tend to have parents who can vote.

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Post by rudedogg »

tiahura wrote: post #59

Dario will be shown the door soon.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, or why the narrative here is all about this being payback for the Department of Whatever-the-fuck thing.

Dario has been spouting how his models are too dangerous, thinking he was playing 3D chess and got owned from my perspective. And there's the possiblility of insider plays by the current administration w/ OpenAI or SpaceX.

But Dario was running his own propaganda machine and gave them enough rope to do this.

Maybe just focusing on building solid models and running a business was the play, not trying for regulatory capture and being anti-competitive.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

cmiles8 wrote: post #93

It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

Hope you're right. The best possible outcome out of this is higher investments into open weight model development. I'm already looking for local inference options. Claude was good while it lasted.

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Post by thrill »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #130
vrganj wrote: post #84

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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target

People designated that school as a valid target - using fancy calculators does not remove that the pass/fail rests with people. AI models have no agency. Even if they are given autonomy - it is given.
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