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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by sailingparrot »

nxm wrote: post #215
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

Previous administration was same way… intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

This is lacking any nuance. The CEO not being invited to a meaningless ceremony vs being designated a supply chain risk by the DoD and being forced to shut down your product. Use judgment.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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mijoharas wrote: post #160
cmiles8 wrote: post #93

It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

> waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. Why would anyone switch yet? They have the same models they did four days ago. Do you mean ensuring they can switch quickly, or putting in place systems to be able to shift their traffic more easily?

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by mindslight »

hurtigioll wrote: post #202
mindslight wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a certain point numbers just don't work out that way. Being woken up in the middle of the night and facing seven alert and well-prepared attackers? Good luck. The real problem is the corrupt politically-motivated DA who declined to even charge most of the perps. Only one of them got any jail time. The others are still out on our streets. Individual action can help mitigate, but it can't make up for the trend of po…

full auto, defensive grenades

Plasma rifle might be able to pull it off.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by trhway »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

>The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government

that is one.

Another is who is going into the first IPO. Troubles for Anthropic IPO would channel all those money into OpenAI's one. Check financial interests of this admin. Hint - they aren't with Anthropic.

Third - most of the export and access controlled tech of the past wasn't productivity multiplier, nor human replacement. AI is a different case - the more capable AI the more its general economic benefit. Export and access control of AI allows you to more and more control the whole domestic and large part of global economy, not just military capabilities like in the past.

Political - coming into elections with "this evil new tech was coming after your jobs, yet we reigned it in and protected your jobs". After all such approach has been for decades working great when it comes to coalminers.

Note that specific bug-finding capabilities of a specific model is a red herring here, and other leading models are almost there, and definitely will be there in a month.

It is all about revenge, money and power.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by EmbarrassedHelp »

Unfortunately even if this blocking is only temporary, a precedent has been set.

The government will likely be more willing to target open source models in the future that they deem to be too powerful. A lot of open source AI infrastructure exists within reach of the US government.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by chmod775 »

ronsor wrote: post #31
himata4113 wrote: post #27

First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. However, I am unable to verify if this is related to them doing secretive prompt injection. Opus 4.8 is far more powerful in that regard. As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in…

$6000 of usage in three days???

Makes me think they're not using anthropic directly but rather any downstream provider. Pretty much everyone has broken caching for anthropic models, which can make requests a couple dozen times more expensive for long contexts.

I did manage to blow through about 1k in a day once doing this, so I can see how one might reach 6k with broken caching + heavy workloads.

For comparison: What cost me me $1k via openrouter would have cost me maybe the weekly allowance of a claude max x20 subscription with proper caching (so like $50 instead). Don't use credits on claude by the way. That's another ripoff (just get more subscriptions).

You really can screw this up and pay x20 what you could have.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by bilbo-b-baggins »

eranation wrote: post #209
fny wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.

Interesting point. Just a small correction, the Anthropic stake is higher. ($13B + another $20B option if they hit certain milestones, which I believe is almost guaranteed) So it's closer to $33B In any case, there is no reason for them to purposefully hurt Anthropic. I would say that this government "takedown" of Mythos is great free advertising. I mean, if you look at this, they said it's too risky to launch, we al…

You seem to assume rational actors. Bezos et. al. are definitely not that.

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Post by Chance-Device »

eranation wrote: post #146

Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

Or in my favourite formulation: “Never assume conspiracy where mere incompetence will do”.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #188
throwaway85825 wrote: post #174

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The export ban exists to hype the capabilities of the much more expensive but only marginally better model.

The model that they can't currently sell at all because they don't have the capability to limit it to US persons?

Opus was already rate limited. If the capacity isn't there its better just used for hype.

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Post by smallmancontrov »

sailingparrot wrote: post #221
nxm wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Previous administration was same way… intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

This is lacking any nuance. The CEO not being invited to a meaningless ceremony vs being designated a supply chain risk by the DoD and being forced to shut down your product. Use judgment.

It's astonishing how that summit sparkles the Tesla sowflakes. We gave them tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and a 100% tariff on the Chinese competition! Huge, substantive policy assistance! But Biden wanted to pal around with some union supporters and that's supposed to be some horrible slight? Please.

Elon didn't drop millions on the Trump campaign and throw a double Sieg Heil at the 2025 US presidential inauguration because Biden refused a photo-op. He did those things because he believes in them, because he believes the things he says on twitter. The EV summit thing is the least believable "you made me do it" excuse I've ever seen.

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