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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by dwa3592 »

viking123 wrote: post #567
dwa3592 wrote: post #270

I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to…

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care to elaborate?

did you plug the third world to the internet?

wasn't the internet created there actually? you mean the third world where kids are shot in schools and rapists are protected, right?

please explain, i am confused.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by dwa3592 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #484
dwa3592 wrote: post #270

I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to…

There is nothing that LLMs can do that humans cannot. If you are worried about bank accounts getting hacked, that's a problem to be solved on the banking side.

It's the scale problem (both speed and access) with LLMs. Don't you think the barrier to entry for hacking has become lower with LLMs?

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Post by pas »

Spooky23 wrote: post #602
mgfist wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. I agree with this > David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I do no like David Sacks but how do you say this is gloating about it? Again, I do believe this is political, but Sacks is saying "you said this is dangerous and wanted regulation, and we believe you. Fix this because it's dangerous a…

Sacks works for the government now. Everything is political. This happening on the day SpaceX IPO’d? It’s a flex, and a message.

what's the flex? what's the message? how does it relate to the IPO?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by s1artibartfast »

drawnwren wrote: post #500
s1artibartfast wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody here is claiming fable is jailbreak free. Not anthropic and not in this thread. This was known before launch. The question remains one of degree and capabilities.

Yeah, if you're arguing that "this, according to anthropic, existentially dangerous model has only had its safeguards partially circumvented so we shouldn't step in" ... it's hard for me to take you seriously? Put another way, the thing we are all concerned with is the complete circumvention of safeguards that is normally possible with llms. If you _aren't_ arguing that this isn't possible, you're not engaging in dis…

Im pointing out what is the argument. You were saying it is something different.

Now you add the word "complete". Anthropic IS arguing _complete_ circumventing is NOT possible.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by paulddraper »

metalspot wrote: post #589
mgfist wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. I agree with this > David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I do no like David Sacks but how do you say this is gloating about it? Again, I do believe this is political, but Sacks is saying "you said this is dangerous and wanted regulation, and we believe you. Fix this because it's dangerous a…

> How is this gloating? he is emphasizing that they used their own words against them. everyone knows the security threat is a pretext. the message is that he is smart and they are stupid and he won, which is what I call gloating. > "Those trying to misdirect and tie this action to the prior DoW/Anthropic issues are wrong." an obvious lie, which is inserted to emphasize that it is a lie. when you purposefully lie, no…

He is reinforcing his point by referencing Anthropic’s statements.

Virtually every debater is gloating by that measure.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by heisenbit »

pas wrote: post #613
Spooky23 wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sacks works for the government now. Everything is political. This happening on the day SpaceX IPO’d? It’s a flex, and a message.

what's the flex? what's the message? how does it relate to the IPO?

Isn't Grok part of the IPO?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by simplyluke »

dwa3592 wrote: post #270

I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to…

I think Dario's about to learn very quickly that making overly-hyped statements around safety to generate market interest is likely to result in regulatory reactions that don't just entrench his position as a market leader, but also severely curtail his business options.

You can't claim that your models are so good that they're basically weapons and then act shocked when the government starts imposing export restrictions on them exactly like they do for arms manufactures. Dario's recent blog post on "saving democracy" via regulatory capture and banning open weight models also mentioned export controls but just for chips, not what he's selling.

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Post by [deleted] »

lubujackson wrote: post #14
aix1 wrote: post #2

Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?

Everyone is assuming this isn't a positive outcome for Anthropic. Think about the optics: everyone was shitting on Anthropic for silently downgrading Fable. Now that is forgotten, they have a chance to spend a week or two revising their approach, then will come out with a "Gov't approved" version and life goes on. Most importantly, Anthropic has been too "uppity" and needed to be put in their place by the powers that…

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by eikenberry »

eranation wrote: post #146

Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

So you're saying this is being done to benefit Anthropic, giving them that regulatory moat they've been so desperately asking for... This could give them that slowdown in model training that they need to be profitable.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by _heimdall »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #577
_heimdall wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This administration has been slapped back by the courts more then I would have expected though. If we had fewer laws granting pretty broad powers to the executive branch I have to assume more of the administration's actions would be stopped.

You are not constructive when you only want to strap gov. powers. The resulting void is ripe for the private sector to capture. To counter this, you need capable public institutions, so a constructive approach would mean, more precise regulations with balanced liberties and bureaucratic aid, not plain less of it. (IMO, this general rejection without a propper problem description nor solution is a product of corporate…

Its worth noting that I'm specifically talking about federal powers in the US here. I have a lower bar for state and local governments. The whole point of that system is to allow states to try different approaches and policies, if enough states agree on similar approaches maybe it can be pulled up to the federal level.

In the case of the Trump administration, this thread didn't have specific policies people took issue with but I'd say most likely candidates roll back to issues that I wouldn't want to see the federal government responsible for. Immigration is probably an outlier, though that's a whole can of worms and I disagree with most immigration restrictions in part because of the interplay between immigration and entitlement programs.

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