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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by VectorLock »

handoflixue wrote: post #454
VectorLock wrote: post #404

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Not that I'm ever one to support anything this regime does but I'm kind of okay with them pumping the brakes on this until we really get a handle on what the The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips to thermal imaging with "national security" implications for a while and now they're doing it but it seems people don't like how ill defined "Mythos-class" means. Would it be better if it was some %…

"pumping the brakes" would be fine. This is slamming to a full stop on a crowded freeway and causing a three car pile-up. Warning and advanced notice are the difference between regulation and tyranny, and in this case we're just getting tyranny

Given the current climate I'd be inclined to declare "tyranny" also but in this case I think given the degree of potential damage the slamming on of brakes is warranted when the alternative is, to strain a metaphor, going full speed off a cliff at relativistic speeds.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by VectorLock »

voidfunc wrote: post #482
handoflixue wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"pumping the brakes" would be fine. This is slamming to a full stop on a crowded freeway and causing a three car pile-up. Warning and advanced notice are the difference between regulation and tyranny, and in this case we're just getting tyranny

> and in this case we're just getting tyranny You expected different with this administration?

A broken clock is still occasionally right.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Freedumbs »

Call me an idiot, but this 'fable' is necessary for big AI to avoid commodotization. If the mythos family is beyond what's economical to train, then there needs to be some external force to create scarcity for demand. Otherwise, the distillers win in 6 months. With the fable, they avoid there's now a product that cannot be a commodity because it's not usable. Only a myth.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by drawnwren »

sigmarule wrote: post #418
drawnwren wrote: post #406

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In the absence of information, maybe it’s better to ask which claim is more extraordinary. That, A. Anthropic solved the llm jailbreak problem with mythos (despite no claim to have done so on their part) B. That a full jailbreak of mythos is possible.

There is not an absence of information. There is information, from Anthropic, concerning the jailbreaks that motivated this action, that directly contradicts the statement. There is just an absence of information backing the statement I responded to. I find it so odd this is apparently so contentious a take.

The existence of a jailbreak free llm in 2026 is extremely contentious to me. You can argue about the specifics of this exact jailbreak, but generally pliny and amazon both reported mythos jailbreaks in <7 days. It seems very reasonable to expect that a well funded state actor could achieve better results given significantly more funding, determination and most importantly unfettered access.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by K0balt »

tapoxi wrote: post #358
softwaredoug wrote: post #337

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That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

> That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations This administration doesn't do regulations, its extortion. Same as the tariffs. Just grease someone's palm and then the vague restriction is lifted.

I still can get de minimus from China no problem, as long as it’s Ali express. I wonder why? When anthropic answers that question, we will have access to fable again.

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Post by SXX »

dwa3592 wrote: post #270

I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to…

  > I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes?
It work for nukes because production and scale needed is such that only state actor can do it. Obviously model training is getting expotentially more expensive, but its still nowhere as hard.

On top of this is just gonna be very hard to steal a nuke. So country cant just steal a nuke if they cant build one.

And even if some country do steal one nuke what of it? It really gives them nothing because they wont have parity for MAD.

Stealing model weight doesnt sound as complex though - once weights are out any small company can abliterate and run as many instances as they want.

Onbviously its not super simple, but certainly doable no matter how much effort LLM companies put into securing weights.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by s1artibartfast »

drawnwren wrote: post #494
sigmarule wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not an absence of information. There is information, from Anthropic, concerning the jailbreaks that motivated this action, that directly contradicts the statement. There is just an absence of information backing the statement I responded to. I find it so odd this is apparently so contentious a take.

The existence of a jailbreak free llm in 2026 is extremely contentious to me. You can argue about the specifics of this exact jailbreak, but generally pliny and amazon both reported mythos jailbreaks in <7 days. It seems very reasonable to expect that a well funded state actor could achieve better results given significantly more funding, determination and most importantly unfettered access.

Nobody here is claiming fable is jailbreak free. Not anthropic and not in this thread. This was known before launch. The question remains one of degree and capabilities.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by classified »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

> why they informed the government

Having no moat, they want to manipulate the government into creating one for them.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by drawnwren »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #497
drawnwren wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of a jailbreak free llm in 2026 is extremely contentious to me. You can argue about the specifics of this exact jailbreak, but generally pliny and amazon both reported mythos jailbreaks in <7 days. It seems very reasonable to expect that a well funded state actor could achieve better results given significantly more funding, determination and most importantly unfettered access.

Nobody here is claiming fable is jailbreak free. Not anthropic and not in this thread. This was known before launch. The question remains one of degree and capabilities.

Yeah, if you're arguing that "this, according to anthropic, existentially dangerous model has only had its safeguards partially circumvented so we shouldn't step in" ... it's hard for me to take you seriously?

Put another way, the thing we are all concerned with is the complete circumvention of safeguards that is normally possible with llms. If you _aren't_ arguing that this isn't possible, you're not engaging in discussing the the thing that is concerning to regulators or those discussing the regulation.

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