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Post by ceejayoz »

andsoitis wrote: post #388
softwaredoug wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast moving and unpredictable technology?

They at least wouldn't depend on how extensively you publicly glaze the President.

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Post by sanex »

crowbahr wrote: post #374
irthomasthomas wrote: post #339

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They literally asked for it. Two days ago Amodei wrote an essay urging the government to regulate them. He explicitly cited Mythos, as proof that frontier AI has acquired autonomous hacking capabilities that threaten critical infrastructure and national security. "Mythos Preview scrambled the global cybersecurity landscape. But its broader significance is that it proves beyond doubt that AI models are now tools of gl…

Cynically: this is an attempt to quash open source or discount model competition through regulatory capture.

I'm sure it's also a step towards requiring id and limiting access for us plebians to real power and keeping it for maintaining or growing power of those in charge. It's all an excuse to give us a Westworld season 3. Probably a better example out there..

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Post by VectorLock »

softwaredoug wrote: post #337
themgt wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

Not that I'm ever one to support anything this regime does but I'm kind of okay with them pumping the brakes on this until we really get a handle on what the

The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips to thermal imaging with "national security" implications for a while and now they're doing it but it seems people don't like how ill defined "Mythos-class" means. Would it be better if it was some %X on some benchmark that the frontier model peddlers could just limbo under to make it "acceptable" for release? Do we just accept that jailbreaking will never be prevented?

The part of all this I do have a problem with is the national state cybersecurity cat-and-mouse this kicks off. Will the US tech landscape have enough time to safely get a "Mythos-class" model to harden itself before China releases or leverages a "Mythos-class" cyber munition?

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

andsoitis wrote: post #388
softwaredoug wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast moving and unpredictable technology?

They probably would have been in line with Executive Order 14110, the Biden administration's detailed description of a principled approach to regulation of the AI industry. It would have been aligned with the Trump administration's stated goals as well, but a coalition of rich VCs successfully bribed him to rescind it as one of his first acts in office, because the primary principle of Trumpist government is that people who pay Donald Trump a lot of money get what they want.

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Post by drawnwren »

sigmarule wrote: post #371
irthomasthomas wrote: post #368

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I will certainly revisit it as more information comes out, but is it your contention that Anthropic solved jailbreaking with Mythos?

That is a strawman. My contention is what you just implicitly acknowledged - there is not information put out yet to validate the quoted claim. There are claims to the contrary, as well, from Anthropic themselves.

In the absence of information, maybe it’s better to ask which claim is more extraordinary.

That,

A. Anthropic solved the llm jailbreak problem with mythos (despite no claim to have done so on their part)

B. That a full jailbreak of mythos is possible.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by thfuran »

VectorLock wrote: post #404
softwaredoug wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

Not that I'm ever one to support anything this regime does but I'm kind of okay with them pumping the brakes on this until we really get a handle on what the The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips to thermal imaging with "national security" implications for a while and now they're doing it but it seems people don't like how ill defined "Mythos-class" means. Would it be better if it was some %…

> The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips

Are you referring to Selective Availability? That ended decades ago.

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Post by ReflectedImage »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Probably a con job. The AI companies don't think they will be able to significantly improve their models in the next year or so, so they are stalling with government regulations whilst taking in investor money.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by arcanemachiner »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #380
arcanemachiner wrote: post #326

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This is a hypothesis, and a viable one. But I caution you against drawing conclusions from your hypothesis and calling it a day, instead of taking in the available data and using it to broaden your understanding of what's actually happening. This could be many things: a shakedown, Trump's pettiness, marketing kayfabe, an actual government reaction to a very weaponizable technology, and so on. But if you call it "just…

Its been 10 years of historical abuse. You're a battered spouse in a bad relationship with the most audacious narcissist that has ever lived.

I'm not American, and I definitely don't support Trump.

Care to spin the outrage wheel again and lob another unfounded insult at me?

At any rate, feel free to indulge in (plausible) conspiracy theories until further details of the story have emerged.

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