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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by mejutoco »

throw310822 wrote: post #379
mejutoco wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somewhat. The US Gov can make it illegal to transact with, download, use, etc. foreign open weight models. Presumably you mean in the USA (otherwise foreign means nothing)

Oh, you think? The US have a habit of imposing sanctions on companies that don't respect their prohibitions- so for example they decided that companies cannot offer services to a certain EU citizen in the EU otherwise they'll be in a sea of troubles. In theory, imposing these so called "secondary sanctions" is against international law; in practice, the EU is so spineless that doesn't even dare to protest.

That does not make it illegal in other countries, which was the claim.

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Post by aerhardt »

LPisGood wrote: post #159
evilturnip wrote: post #96

It's great that we are getting so many open source model releases, but I just feel like SOTA models will always be in the hands of the big players. The hardware requirement to achieve SOTA are just too steep. My alternate universe would involve some sort of decentralized investing scheme to build data centers running massive open source models that could compete on some level with Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.

Do we really care about this gap? If open models are 6 months to a year behind frontier models, does it really matter that much?

I’ve seen analyses pointing to the fact that the gap is growing, which would be worrying. I think all the benchmarking and whatnot is not reliable so who knows, but we’ll definitely have a good feel in a couple of years.

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

khalic wrote: post #396
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #389

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They would still be at a significant compute disadvantage and deploying them worldwide seems to be how they work around that currently as they put together a homegrown alternative.

Oh i don't expect this to happen any time soon, but they are making progress on the UV lithography side, so it's just a matter of time until it becomes a TW race, and they have the advantage on that terrain.

And I think we're at human-level intelligence for restricted tasks now. it's not the big bad AGI* we were promised, it's more like Rainman that needs a handler, but that doesn't make it any less useful. So I'm not sure what this future event will signify.

*And the ASI IMO doesn't happen without robots going full von Neumann replicator. Something I don't expect to happen any time soon.

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Post by airstrike »

smokel wrote: post #391
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

> The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by high walls. We have always believed that AGI should be the cornerstone for all of humanity to collaboratively explore the boundaries of intelligence and solve complex challenges, rather than a privilege monopolized by a few rules and subject to revocation at any moment. This is not obvious to me. If everyone gets access to AGI, but only a f…

Restricting access helps even less.

And none of this is AGI so...

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Post by bellowsgulch »

jwblackwell wrote: post #372

It's starting to feel like we'll soon be able to run open source models on our own hardware and use them for serious coding projects. Even if some tasks still need to be handed off to larger closed source models, that's a huge improvement over where we are today. The trend also seems pretty clear. These models will keep getting better. Coding may already be close to a "solved" problem for LLMs. Yes ofc there will alw…

People are already doing this today.

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Post by lejalv »

pseudony wrote: post #303
naklitechie wrote: post #281

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Looks like it's about a year behind. Not that I am complaining. A year behind is good progress. I also feel much of the trick is in the reasoning and harness. so some progress around that would accelerate this process.

And what do you base this on ? How does one objectively quantify how it stacks upnto another model ? Or even, what is your subjective evaluation based on ? I really wonder - because I have just finished a fully vibe-coded gtk/rust/lua application with me basically writing 7% of the code (all in one module) and GLM 5.1 writing the rest. We haven’t had regressions, confusion or anything else. And I am pretty damned sur…

What harness, if you don't mind sharing?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by jamesinmn »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #352
pixlmint wrote: post #323

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Quit my Claude pro subscription last week and purchased credits for an API inference provider. I think I might even end up saving money, since I really don’t use AI that much, and I actually found that gemma4:31b is fine for most of my non-coding inquiries.

Got a link to that API inference provider?

Just look up OpenRouter, OpenCode Go/Zen, Together, Fireworks, Cerebras, etc.

DeepSeek Platform API is worth checking out too, due to their insanely good caching and token costs.

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Post by Havoc »

scotty79 wrote: post #381
Havoc wrote: post #202

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It’s very likely the Chinese go dark too the second they have parity / lead

I wouldn't bet on it. Chinese live the free market ideals instead of just preaching them but rent-seeking and seeking regulatory capture at the first opportunity. In China business doesn't control politics. Dynamics is completely different and so might be the outcomes.

Well I do hope you're right - that's a brighter future for all

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by Havoc »

abustamam wrote: post #317

I'm interested in seeing how this changes folks' workflows. For me, at work I use opus to plan, brainstorm, grill, ask questions about my codebase, etc. It is pretty good about understanding the codebase holistically and providing architecturally clean solutions that actually work. Then I use sonnet as a plan executor and it does well. Follows instructions and runs tests and just overall does great. At home I make so…

I tend to mix them. Write the thing with GLM and get DS or Opus to review the finished result for issues

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by hedora »

smokel wrote: post #391
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

> The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by high walls. We have always believed that AGI should be the cornerstone for all of humanity to collaboratively explore the boundaries of intelligence and solve complex challenges, rather than a privilege monopolized by a few rules and subject to revocation at any moment. This is not obvious to me. If everyone gets access to AGI, but only a f…

The printing press gave us the renaissance, even though the church argued it was too dangerous to give non-clergy access to books.

Even things like universal access to guns was a net positive. It led to the end of feudalism and rise of democracy.

The sad truth is that whenever any one group of people gets a monopoly over an important technology, they use it to exploit/enslave/murder everyone they can. Look at the international news for examples from 2026.

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