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Post by tw1984 »

__float wrote: post #283
jubilanti wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Olmo from AllenAI has been releasing their full pipelines including data [1]. A lot of it is just repackaged and resampled dumps from copyrighted data that has long been publicly available as dumps: Common Crawl, arxiv, Wikipedia, StackExchange, reddit --- all of which are presumably copyrighted with different licenses. Go in Huggingface and you can find massive multi TB data dumps used for pre training. It is just a…

It's rather off-topic at this point, but I've never understood how HF can afford to be a CDN for such huge files. It seems like enterprise customers must be subsidizing a lot, but...at that point, is there not a cheaper alternative that doesn't subsidize every hobbyist and startup around?

> how HF can afford to be a CDN for such huge files

bandwidth and storage are literally free when compared to the cost of GPU clusters. HF gets rewarded heavily on capital market for being in AI without actually doing much AI stuff, that is a huge win when compared to costs they are paying for bandwidth and storage.

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Post by logicchains »

shimman wrote: post #105
yieldcrv wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't consider mainland aspects to be "examples of their ideological system working for the world", it works for urban areas in China and I don't really see their foreign investment to be doing that, I think it complements what the West has done and has high impact in areas that the West ignores or hasn't taken seriously for investment, only a history of pillaging and subsequently aid their ideological system - usu…

If you can't appreciate or understand what a substantial effort it was to reduce poverty in China, then you aren't a serious person worth paying attention to. It's literally the economic question of the century and something we should seriously study because we have the potential to lift the entire world out of poverty too.

The Chinese government did a terrible job of reducing poverty relative to other East Asian nations like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. From a similar starting point the GDP per capita lagged well behind, and even now it still does; it's around $15k, similar to Mexico and less than half of those other East Asian countries. If the argument is "it's harder because the country is bigger", then if the government care about living standards it should have decentralized into lots of smaller countries like Europe, which if didn't do.

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Post by pseudony »

naklitechie wrote: post #281
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

Looks like it's about a year behind. Not that I am complaining. A year behind is good progress. I also feel much of the trick is in the reasoning and harness. so some progress around that would accelerate this process.

And what do you base this on ?

How does one objectively quantify how it stacks upnto another model ?

Or even, what is your subjective evaluation based on ?

I really wonder - because I have just finished a fully vibe-coded gtk/rust/lua application with me basically writing 7% of the code (all in one module) and GLM 5.1 writing the rest. We haven’t had regressions, confusion or anything else. And I am pretty damned sure I couldn’t manage this one year ago with claude code and Sonnet.

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Post by anonyfox »

Okay so if this model is half a year behind, so let’s say January opus pre-nerf, this is it.

Inference is actually quite cheap for token costs, the frontier labs burn most of their money on training new models, priced into their token costs ontop of some margins and paying record salaries. So if this goes open, distills are tried out, independent providers around the world host it with actual price competition, the house of cards for anthropic collapses pre-ipo. The floor is opus (open models caught up), the current ceiling is Mythos (self inflicted ban due to the safety bullshit theater), and no way out.

It’s really comical I think it’s even the same guy that warned about gpt2 being too dangerous to release, well that mindset seems to now doing existential harm to anthropic, while the rest of the world essentially laughs and progresses anyway.

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Post by pseudony »

thewebguyd wrote: post #87
khalic wrote: post #61

Given the US government’s latest stunt with Fable, this is looking more and more like the future. Can’t rely on strategic products if they’re gated by capricious actors. Open weight models are basically immune to that

> Open weight models are basically immune to that Somewhat. The US Gov can make it illegal to transact with, download, use, etc. foreign open weight models. Of course, enforcement will be difficult for individuals (businesses will comply by default, and they would all be pulled off Github and other US based hosting locations if they went the sanctions route). But, we are also quickly going down the road of frightenin…

You seem to forget that there is a rather large world outside of the US - and we very much would be better off with non-gated, open weights models.

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Post by tancop »

treefry wrote: post #298
bxclltkfz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is nice about GLM is that they allow other providers that I can use on OpenRouter to filter providers that are US based and with zero data retention, unlike other open-weight Chinese models like Qwen.

Unless you self host, zero data retention cannot be guaranteed.

apples private cloud compute can get close, its still not 100 safe because backdoors and crypto breaks are possible but you go from trusting the data center operator with all their employees to only the person thats inspecting new hardware and giving out certificates (apple in this case). if some well known non profit like mozilla or isrg starts doing it with full open source software its like the best possible security

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Post by illiac786 »

treefry wrote: post #298
bxclltkfz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is nice about GLM is that they allow other providers that I can use on OpenRouter to filter providers that are US based and with zero data retention, unlike other open-weight Chinese models like Qwen.

Unless you self host, zero data retention cannot be guaranteed.

That is completely obvious, it’s like saying “100% security does not exist”.

I believe you are falling into the nirvana fallacy: No shades of grey, if it’s not perfect it’s as bad as the rest.

This is a very inefficient way of thinking as it is not possible to self host everything for most people, it just demands too much time.

Hence its is a perfectly valid approach in my opinion to looks at better (or, very often, “less worse”) SaaS solution.

If they states ZDR on a model, the likeliness of it leaking less data to some LLM data training is higher simply. If the business model of a company is built around a differentiator which is data privacy, that also significantly increases probability that data is not being leaked/sold.

It’s all grey, relative and about probabilities. Nothing’s perfect – another captain obvious thing.

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Post by ricardobeat »

canadiantim wrote: post #235
segmondy wrote: post #109

In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

Any idea how kimi2.7 compares with GLM5.2?

It seems to be on par with Sonnet from my (short) experience. If GLM 5.2 matches Opus that is quite a step up for more complex and longer tasks.

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Post by tancop »

no-name-here wrote: post #153
segmondy wrote: post #109

In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

The Chinese models are censored (too?). > US is censoring models For the current Anthropic issue, I’d say that’s more likely to just be generic corruption, revenge, shakdeown, and/or incompetence from the Trump admin. ‘Censoring’ might be technically correct, but I think one of the aforementioned verbs is a better fit.

china is doing political censorship on specific well known topics - their current government, corruption and workers rights, taiwan, tiananmen square, human rights in xinjiang, old communist leaders and a couple others. not defending them just to be clear. the rules are the same for everyone, if your model cant give you anti ccp views with normal prompting you are safe. they never tried to restrict access to a model thats already public for vague security reasons.

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Post by xlii »

Just checked it out (hat off to my friend who gifted me almost unlimited access to Z.ai) and it's quite darn good.

I'm running different projects in ChatGPT 5.5, Claude (Opus 4.7/4.7) and GLM 5.2 is nice - worth evaluating yourself :)

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