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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by smokel »

easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

> The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by high walls. We have always believed that AGI should be the cornerstone for all of humanity to collaboratively explore the boundaries of intelligence and solve complex challenges, rather than a privilege monopolized by a few rules and subject to revocation at any moment.

This is not obvious to me. If everyone gets access to AGI, but only a few people have the means to do really bad things with it, then what is the difference? Might as well make clear from the start that AGI is a powerful tool (read: weapon), and not a solution (e.g. world peace).

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by cassianoleal »

khalic wrote: post #361
cududa wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure that? “also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too” What specifically about their release strategy “reminded” you of that conjecture? The premise that they only open source the models … because it somehow helps them leapfrog American labs, and once they actually can leapfrog them, they’d close source them, doesn’t really track for me. Am I miss…

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

Why wouldn't they? It keeps strengthening their position. It's an incredible source of soft power if they're seen as the place to look for good AI, and what's more, you can self-host it or hire a local provider if you're worried about data sovereignty.

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Post by ndriscoll »

no-name-here wrote: post #148
dindunuf wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ask any Western model to tell you how to 3D print a gun.

Is the idea that instructions to make weapons, and learning about history are comparable?

I should think learning about history should lead to a desire for citizens to be able to quietly make weapons at home given the many documented cases of governments across the world mass murdering their own citizens (or foreign governments invading and genociding). What's the point of telling people the wrongs of their oppressors while simultaneously disempowering them from doing anything about it or preparing to defend themselves in the future?

So yes they're not just comparable, but two sides of the same coin.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by khalic »

cassianoleal wrote: post #392
khalic wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

Why wouldn't they? It keeps strengthening their position. It's an incredible source of soft power if they're seen as the place to look for good AI, and what's more, you can self-host it or hire a local provider if you're worried about data sovereignty.

I guess it's a possibility, but I don't have that kind of expectations from major world powers. It's not like the CCP is a beacon of human rights either.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by Saris »

3836293648 wrote: post #127
kamranjon wrote: post #120

Crossing fingers for a 5.2 flash release - it’s been a while but I still feel like 4.7 flash is one of the strongest local coding models

Really? I had a terrible experience with 4.7-flash. Qwen-3.5 is still the best local model for me. (3.6 pushed VRAM usage just out of 24GB and then you're not using a consumer GPU any more)

Qwen3.6-35b-a3b at 64k context runs quite well on my 12GB VRAM GPU with MoE partially offloaded to CPU. It does use a good chunk of system RAM too, but I get about 40-50 tok/s.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by khalic »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #389
khalic wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

They would still be at a significant compute disadvantage and deploying them worldwide seems to be how they work around that currently as they put together a homegrown alternative.

Oh i don't expect this to happen any time soon, but they are making progress on the UV lithography side, so it's just a matter of time until it becomes a TW race, and they have the advantage on that terrain.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by khalic »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #386
khalic wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too... so let's not be complacent, we need stronger, completely open data models, open source code, etc. to mitigate this risk

Based on what? Do you have real proof on it or is it just a guess that Chinese companies aren’t better than American ones?

It's neither the American nor Chinese LABS I'm weary of, it's their government, both very prone to interference "in the name of national security"

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by pjmlp »

romanovcode wrote: post #371
pjmlp wrote: post #366

This will go the same way other US export restrictions, eventually other nations found ways around to implement similar technologies, and stuff like PGP remains a niche technology, even though public/private keys based technology is widespread.

The model is released to download. If they continue releasing it - it can't go same direction. If they stop releasing it, they will become irrelevant. The only reason this one is so popular is because you can just download it and run locally.

Yes, and that is how alternatives are born.

Native folks eventually get a way to make their own exploding sticks.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by HappyPanacea »

khalic wrote: post #361
cududa wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure that? “also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too” What specifically about their release strategy “reminded” you of that conjecture? The premise that they only open source the models … because it somehow helps them leapfrog American labs, and once they actually can leapfrog them, they’d close source them, doesn’t really track for me. Am I miss…

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

Not necessarily, commoditize your complement is a common strategy USA & Europe are more services heavy than China which seems to have advantage at manufacturing these days if AI trained on everybody data can replace some of it than it reduce China depend on others, increase demands from other countries to china's manufacturing and reduce their dependence on USA & Europe and reduce USA & Europe bargaining chip in any future negotiate.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by junnan »

skeptic_ai wrote: post #329
segmondy wrote: post #109

In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

I don’t understand how I grew up thinking USA is the gold standard is good and China just make cheap copies and is bad. But these news really changes my view on China and USA. I can’t believe it almost.

propaganda
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