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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by linkregister »

drawnwren wrote: post #500
s1artibartfast wrote: post #497

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Nobody here is claiming fable is jailbreak free. Not anthropic and not in this thread. This was known before launch. The question remains one of degree and capabilities.

Yeah, if you're arguing that "this, according to anthropic, existentially dangerous model has only had its safeguards partially circumvented so we shouldn't step in" ... it's hard for me to take you seriously? Put another way, the thing we are all concerned with is the complete circumvention of safeguards that is normally possible with llms. If you _aren't_ arguing that this isn't possible, you're not engaging in dis…

A disappointing trend is to frame the opposing argument in extreme terms rather than engaging with the substance of the assertion.

The latter portion is grand standing about how incredulous the commenter is that someone might trust an LLM company about the strength of their harnesses' if-then-else statements for request routing.

Why bother with an unsubstantial comment?

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Post by vanviegen »

Topfi wrote: post #97
logicchains wrote: post #92

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>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.

Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.

He seems to have gone out of his way too alienate just about any demographic likely to buy an EV...

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Post by Kina »

_heimdall wrote: post #424
aqme28 wrote: post #372

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It’s a great way to regulate if you’re corrupt. When the rules are opaque and arbitrary, there’s a lot more room for corruption.

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Whether or not you agree with how US laws are drafted, this administration has no logical foundation for anything it does which is a massively different and worse problem by orders of magnitude.

This administration runs on whims. This is horrifying and there is real harm in this we have yet to see the full repercussions of.

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Post by withinboredom »

VectorLock wrote: post #490
thfuran wrote: post #407

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> The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips Are you referring to Selective Availability? That ended decades ago.

Not selective availability. COCOM Limits that prevent a GPS chip from operating above a certain speed and altitude.

It’s funny because it’s just (relativistic) math. It would cost a couple hundred bucks to roll your own with no restrictions.

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Post by csomar »

Ampersander wrote: post #503
stingraycharles wrote: post #479

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I assume the HN community is smart enough to pick up on “taxes” as meaning bribery, especially when they link an article explaining how SpaceX did that through an IPO mechanism that rewarded the current administration.

This forum is full of libertarians that might view bribes and taxes as synonyms.

As a libertarian, they are not even close to being the same. A bribe is generally optional where you can opt out of the transaction. Taxes are a racket.

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Post by sagarpatil »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Doesn’t Amazon own 14% of Anthropic?

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Post by popcorncowboy »

madflo wrote: post #314

putting my old man cap on and I would like to weigh in on the US admin export control on Mythos. It does remind me of the mid-1990s when suddenly asymmetric cryptographic tools such as PGP became a reality and a wide usage possible due to the growing base of internet users. Governments (US, France…) did not understand how to regulate and banned export (and asked users to apply for a licence). I do see a strong parall…

How? Nothing stopped cypherpunks in the 90s+ from meaningfully innovating in the space. Table stakes entry for competitive LLMs runs to nation-state budget-levels. There will be no film about 3 genius kids up-ending the trillion dollar oligopolies - they're already working for A\ or OAI.

Capital has eaten software.

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Post by milch »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #467
milch wrote: post #435

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Why would they have launched Fable on Bedrock if they knew they were going to be shutting it down a day later?

They would have no internally/externally defensible justification to stop the launch as they are partners/part-owners of Anthropic. They would have to let the rank-and-file keep moving on the Fable launch.

IIRC Anthropic models haven't all been available on day 1, so it does feel like a deliberate choice, especially since they are partners/part-owners like you say. No one would have bat an eye about some corporate PR thing "blah blah mythos is too powerful and too intelligent and so we've decided to focus our capacity on Opus 4.6/4.7/4.8 for now until we have the proper safeguards in place blah blah"

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Post by echoangle »

csomar wrote: post #515
Ampersander wrote: post #503

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This forum is full of libertarians that might view bribes and taxes as synonyms.

As a libertarian, they are not even close to being the same. A bribe is generally optional where you can opt out of the transaction. Taxes are a racket.

So if you get stopped by the police in a bribe-affine country and they make clear you can either pay some money or they will take you to jail even though you did nothing wrong, is that a tax or a bribe?

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Post by cthe »

If they abruptly limit the market to specific domestic companies only, people investing in data centers will certainly not reach the ROI they anticipated. Since this investment is so big that it is visible at GDP scale, the pressure to cancel this ban must be huge.
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