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Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Hendrikto »

TZubiri wrote: post #241
Drupon wrote: post #14

An honest to god article full of em dashes that's not because it was AI but because it was a human using them as a crutch to get around crafting sentences that flow naturally. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

Either it's LLM generated, or it's written by someone who wants to be ambiguous about using LLMs. Either way, I'm not reading it, it's a clanker or a clanker collaborationist. I mean, how would you even write an em dash? There's no button in the keyboard for em dashes, it's not in ascii, it's just not something we write in internet text with, it's a safety watermark put into LLMs by OpenAI to help making LLM generate…

> I mean, how would you even write an em dash?

With a keyboard shortcut. Just because you are incompetent, that does not mean everybody is.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by epaga »

zhuli wrote: post #309

Hey guys, I just found out you were discussing my article, so obviously I had to come here. ;-) I’ll take the time to read the thread properly because, hey, you took the time to read my article. Also, I genuinely enjoy reading and I’m curious to see what you think about AI. The anecdote in the article is real, by the way. I only changed her title. With AI, I went from “surely this won’t affect me” to “AI is dumb” — n…

If you look at the trajectory of your stance, do you think you might reach "Uh-oh this is doing just as good a job as I can do in a much shorter time?" within the next year? I feel like that's what happened to pure coding for me, something I never ever thought would be possible.

The unreliability is something that seems like it might be a temporary early stage.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by anotherevan »

ibudiallo wrote: post #179

Slight tangent into translations: I read two translations of the book "The Master and Margarita". My first read was so boring I couldn't help but stop reading before the end of the first chapter. I can't find the copy and the name of the person who translated it, but this one had all the Russian nicknames translated. It kept talking about a guy called homeless. I thought it was just a bad book and dismissed it for ye…

I still clearly remember in my early twenties being stunned to discover that the Astérix comics are originally written in French and then translated. Coming up with names like Getafix in English for the druid — incroyable.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Hendrikto »

madaxe_again wrote: post #55
Drupon wrote: post #14

An honest to god article full of em dashes that's not because it was AI but because it was a human using them as a crutch to get around crafting sentences that flow naturally. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

My writing used to be littered with them, but I now eschew the em in favour of en, as it has become too strong an anti-shibboleth. I have also taken to being sloppier in my prose, as I’ve had stories rejected for being “written by AI” - when they’re shorts I wrote more than a decade ago. Reworked them to sound like a moron, accepted. Sigh.

> I now eschew the em in favour of en

They have different meaning and are not interchangeable.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Hendrikto »

tombert wrote: post #9

I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…

> I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good

> I do not speak any language outside of English

So you are entirely unqualified to judge this, and you acknowledge yourself that your test is flawed to the point of being completely useless. Yet you make grandiose statements about the quality.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Hendrikto »

tombert wrote: post #77
Swizec wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like that wasn’t there when I started writing my comment. I also have a bad habit of quickly posting and then adding over a few minutes. Glad we agree :)

Guess I have no way of proving it, but I pinky swear that I didn't edit it in later! But yeah, I broadly do agree; if I read other languages I could find a book that hadn't been thoroughly translated to English and then I could give a proper analysis on how good the translation is, but since I'm a very stereotypical American I know exactly one language (and sometimes my comprehension of even that is questionable).

> I could find a book that hadn't been thoroughly translated to English and then I could give a proper analysis on how good the translation is, but since I'm a very stereotypical American I know exactly one language

So you actually cannot give a proper analysis.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Hendrikto »

layer8 wrote: post #85
mjmsmith wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting counter-example: https://xcancel.com/ValerioCapraro/status/206506665753442336...

I wonder if “Just 3 words: you’re not alone” would have been acceptable. :)

That are still 4 words, imo.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by anotherevan »

zhuli wrote: post #309

Hey guys, I just found out you were discussing my article, so obviously I had to come here. ;-) I’ll take the time to read the thread properly because, hey, you took the time to read my article. Also, I genuinely enjoy reading and I’m curious to see what you think about AI. The anecdote in the article is real, by the way. I only changed her title. With AI, I went from “surely this won’t affect me” to “AI is dumb” — n…

Welcome to the crazy lolly shop that is Hacker News. Be warned though, as is written on many a candy wrapper: may contain nuts.

Also, it is positively charming that you think most of us took the time to properly read something before coming here to espouse an opinion. :-)

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Ekaros »

j_w wrote: post #124
tombert wrote: post #9

I have no doubt that the writer is better at translating than AI, but I have to say that AI translation has gotten so good that I'm not sure how much longer translation work will be there, or rather it might end up being more about auditing. For example, I just read the Lawrence Ellsworth translation of The Three Musketeers, which I very thoroughly enjoyed. I don't speak or read French, but from my understanding Ells…

As somebody who regularly reads translated works, including the occasional machine translation (MTL), they (MTL) suck. You got a hugely biased result, which you recognize. Translation is hard. If you're familiar with reading translations from specific languages MTL works have a very specific smell to them, it's a bit hard to describe but it's there. A good translation is miles (kilometers, for those outside of the US…

I read genres where MTL is somewhat commonly used. But good quality human translations take remarkable effort. And even artistic choices. Like choices between transliterating and translating. Or maybe in some cases just doing both for single name or term. And then keeping these choices consistent over substantial works.

And it is not like transliteration is consistent thing. Some cases would prefer the old way. Or existing already common one. Even across entirely different works from different authors.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by anotherevan »

zhuli wrote: post #315
acyou wrote: post #186

"we all more or less look the same in gym clothes" Maybe my brain works differently than the author, but I'm surprised at this statement. Gym clothes don't change recognition for me, it's about the face, body, posture, clothes don't really enter into it. For me it is nonsensical enough to be suspicious. And for a human centric perspective, not recognizing who someone is sad, it's knowing that you probably won't meet…

I wrote the article. I'm a real person. And I'm shit at recognizing people I don't interact with. PIcture 50 of us in black legging in front of a mirror...!

It's possible you have a touch of prosopagnosia, also known as face blindness. It would make sense as you would recognise people you interact with more regularly by other things (e.g.: voice, or even body or posture as the grandparent comment mentioned), but unfamiliar people tend to me harder to identify.
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