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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by Avamander »

EdiX wrote: post #177
noir_lord wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a sliding scale of devices I trust more or less (I trust nothing completely). At the top of the trust scale is a self built desktop running fedora then way further down is my apple devices (iPads) and then even further down is my android phone. Open source on hardware you control is the least worst option but since the hardware comes from abroad/countries I don’t trust much (including the US) not perfect.

Soon thanks to Digital ID all your important business will have to go through the devices you trust the least.

There's nothing about a digital ID system that would inherently require the use of a pre-approved OS.

Some countries went with SmartCards that you can use on any platform that can communicate with a card reader basically.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

cookiengineer wrote: post #119
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #57

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Not yet )

I kinda like where you are going with this. But I think the only way to establish these laws would be an IT competent judicative branch of the government... which, as we all know, is pretty incompetent in these manners.

Progress advances one death at a time. As new, younger judges are sworn it, the situation will change in the coming years.

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Post by xethos »

noir_lord wrote: post #149
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #131

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The more astonishing thing is that people regularly talk about this in the context of hosting providers when by far the more significant threat is mobile platforms. There are a zillion hosting companies, many of them outside the US. Now which mobile platform are you going to use that doesn't give one of two US companies root on your population's phones?

I have a sliding scale of devices I trust more or less (I trust nothing completely). At the top of the trust scale is a self built desktop running fedora then way further down is my apple devices (iPads) and then even further down is my android phone. Open source on hardware you control is the least worst option but since the hardware comes from abroad/countries I don’t trust much (including the US) not perfect.

This is in no way a solution to the population-scale problem of a belligerant nation having root on the citizenry's mobile phones/cameras/GPS units/network scanners

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Post by hinata08 »

c16 wrote: post #48

With DigiID, as with this, I never understood why countries give critical infrastructure contracts away from the country it directly impacts, provided they have a mature tech ecosystem. I thought the whole point was that it was critical?

we never have evidence that providers bribe politicians into signing juicy contracts so I wouldn't claim they do, but it's either that or they're extremely gullible and don't care about their jobs.

consider Hanlon's razor before being mad and sending everyone to court for treason

Either ways, something needs to change

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Post by surgical_fire »

mrtksn wrote: post #70
reacharavindh wrote: post #13

The fact that government agencies, particularly those that deal with international concerns like these are using non sovereign tech for communications is mind-blowing. They might as well use public gmail.. atleast it would be cheaper. If you want it not exposed directly, host it yourself and take measures to secure it for intended eyes only. This should be common sense.

I don't think Americans understand what US used to mean for the rest of the world. America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old world where you invest or you go to build things, where your past or identity wasn't the primary concern but your dreams your abilities were. It wasn't nationalistic place, it was open to all and pretty much it was the group work of human…

Sometimes I envy the illiterate.

At least they cannot read this ridiculous load of propaganda.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160
pjc50 wrote: post #87

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Privatization: in much of the (neo)liberal West, it is seen as better to use commercial providers. They're supposed to be cheaper and better, because they're not using (union) civil service staff. Yes, this results in enshittification.

The thing that results in enshittification is market consolidation. Notice that Comcast sucks whereas there aren't a lot of complaints about Big Shampoo because that's a fairly competitive market. If the government needs trucks then they should just buy trucks, not build a factory to make trucks and then another factory to make lead acid batteries for the trucks and then start mining lead to make the batteries etc. A…

I think that's true for widgets but it becomes much more opaque when it comes to digital services, particularly those that handle sensitive information. Sure there's govcloud and fedramp these days but if the US federal government had chosen to build that hardware out in house I think that would have been a reasonable decision. It's similar to private versus in house security personnel where there are arguments in favor of both.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

nottorp wrote: post #158
fc417fc802 wrote: post #151

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Well yes, if you hand your keys over that is indeed a problem. Of course handing your keys over to the provider rather defeats the purpose of E2EE so hopefully no one is doing that. Key escrow is the usual solution to an employer needing access to employee materials.

> Key escrow is the usual solution Yes, and you move the problem to "is the entity/process/whatever handling key escrow under US jurisdiction"?

Yes, obviously, but key (/account/identity/etc) management is typically a much narrower and well defined problem to solve and in many cases it will already have been solved (centralized management of user accounts, employee ID cards that contain physical tokens, and other such things).

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Post by Paradigma11 »

graemep wrote: post #67
Braxton1980 wrote: post #3

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Because Trump has 2.5 years left and they may be hoping a Democrat wins

Does it matter who is president? The US was spying on European leaders before Trump's first term: "According to the investigation, which covered the period from 2012 to 2014, the NSA used Danish information cables to spy on senior officials in Sweden, Norway, France and Germany, including former German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and former German opposition leader Peer Steinbrück." https://www.reuters.c…

Everybody always spies on everybody else. Even it only to check what they are really thinking.

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Post by hinata08 »

cryo32 wrote: post #173

This should kill Office 365 instantly globally.

these scandals happen every other day

Hardly a decade ago, a well documented part of prism was on how Berlin was being scanned all the way up to the chancellor

Could the Dutch government think they were any different to the Germans ? Did they not use outlook ?

You put a lot of hope in managers from large companies and governments who get their rent and yearly bonuses no matter their performance, and will never ever be made redundant

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