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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

beloch wrote: post #94

If a politically stable nation with a good international reputation were to guarantee government respect for data privacy for data centres housed on its soil and run by its companies, that nation could become the Swiss bankers of data. Rolling your own "digital sovereignty" is not going to be cheap for most nations, and many other nations simply won't be trusted by anyone, least of all their own citizens. It's a bit…

The more astonishing thing is that people regularly talk about this in the context of hosting providers when by far the more significant threat is mobile platforms.

There are a zillion hosting companies, many of them outside the US. Now which mobile platform are you going to use that doesn't give one of two US companies root on your population's phones?

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Post by ForHackernews »

SidewaysView wrote: post #115
ForHackernews wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American soldiers committed the Mỹ Lai Massacre. American soldiers trained their weapons on those Americans to halt the killing. America has always contained multitudes, but chose to see the best in itself and the world saw it reflected in that light. One of the most shocking things to me was visiting Vietnam and going to the Museum of American War Crimes in Ho Chi Minh City and almost the first thing you see walking…

The constitution is a piece of paper written by dead white men. Principles have never been about that. The world has never been about that. It's never been something anyone who wasn't "that kind of nerd" could believe in. Not even up for debate.

You say that, but pieces of paper written by dead white men have remade the world for good and for ill. All of 20th century history stands in the shadow of Das Kapital.

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Post by saulapremium »

QuesnayJr wrote: post #58
usrnm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump was elected . Twice. It was not a fluke, not a once in a lifetime event, he's a symptom of wider processes happening in the US. The world has changed and the old order is not coming back

Half the countries in Europe has their own Trump-equivalent politician heading one of the largest parties, and yet Europeans are imagining it's something happening "in the US" while they sleepwalk into disaster.

I am European and I am all too aware that the trend exists here as well. I am just hoping that a majority will now be able to see what disasters that road can lead to.

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Post by Cider9986 »

Encryption is what's important, jurisdiction gives a false sense of security. Nobody should prefer their messenger be server-side encrypted in Iceland rather than e2ee in China.

I self-host e2ee services instead of server side encryption, even though I control the server. It's one less point of failure.

If the data centers can't see the data they're just hosting encrypted data like a Tor node that sends along gibberish–that's the endgame. Remove extra trusted parties to minimize data.

This also applies to metadata, that can be encrypted. SimpleX has 0 user identifiers, Signal's sealed sender encrypts the senders identity. Every Monero transaction is in the publicly distributed blockchain, hidden.

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Post by petre »

beloch wrote: post #110
kubb wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could take your analogy further, and consider why the Swiss banking isn’t so opaque anymore. Hint: people who did really inhuman things used that system to store their profits, and the Swiss society, developed and stable as it is, decided that they don’t want to bear the moral cost of it anymore.

The Swiss didn't vet their clients. If Vladimir Putin wants to contract a data centre on your soil for the privacy, you can always have regulations that say, "No.".

If the payments go through SWIFT, the problem is solved if either party is sanctioned.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #120
beloch wrote: post #94

If a politically stable nation with a good international reputation were to guarantee government respect for data privacy for data centres housed on its soil and run by its companies, that nation could become the Swiss bankers of data. Rolling your own "digital sovereignty" is not going to be cheap for most nations, and many other nations simply won't be trusted by anyone, least of all their own citizens. It's a bit…

It is not as simple as banking - people tend to want low-latency and high-speed connection which necessitate the data center to be in close proximity. Which basically means that founding a country with strong data protection laws somewhere in Antarctic won't get you many clients in Europe.

If the premise is that you want to host data for people in Europe who don't want it to be under the control of the US then Frankfurt is a lower latency place to be than Virginia anyway.

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Post by reactordev »

Cider9986 wrote: post #134

Encryption is what's important, jurisdiction gives a false sense of security. Nobody should prefer their messenger be server-side encrypted in Iceland rather than e2ee in China. I self-host e2ee services instead of server side encryption, even though I control the server. It's one less point of failure. If the data centers can't see the data they're just hosting encrypted data like a Tor node that sends along gibberi…

Politicians LOVE theatre

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by Cider9986 »

reactordev wrote: post #137
Cider9986 wrote: post #134

Encryption is what's important, jurisdiction gives a false sense of security. Nobody should prefer their messenger be server-side encrypted in Iceland rather than e2ee in China. I self-host e2ee services instead of server side encryption, even though I control the server. It's one less point of failure. If the data centers can't see the data they're just hosting encrypted data like a Tor node that sends along gibberi…

Politicians LOVE theatre

Removed that to be less extreme.

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Post by vitalyan1234 »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #120
beloch wrote: post #94

If a politically stable nation with a good international reputation were to guarantee government respect for data privacy for data centres housed on its soil and run by its companies, that nation could become the Swiss bankers of data. Rolling your own "digital sovereignty" is not going to be cheap for most nations, and many other nations simply won't be trusted by anyone, least of all their own citizens. It's a bit…

It is not as simple as banking - people tend to want low-latency and high-speed connection which necessitate the data center to be in close proximity. Which basically means that founding a country with strong data protection laws somewhere in Antarctic won't get you many clients in Europe.

that's a psyop from the cloud evangelism era. a few hundred milliseconds of latency make fuck all any difference for 95% of things, even voice/video calls.
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