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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by robin_reala »

rgblambda wrote: post #32
la_oveja wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the danish were one of the strongest Chat Control promovers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

Dutch and Danish are two different nationalities. To be fair they both begin with a D and end with a H so I understand the confusion.

That’s a very generous understanding.

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Post by djaro »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #34
closewith wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the most common approach globally. Like most countries, the Dutch Government use .gov.nl.

Ah. Just a blatant inaccuracy on wikipedia I take it. That does make a bit more sense.

As far as I can tell .gov.nl is only used for pages aimed at i.e. expats and businesses. Most services dutch people use simply have a .nl page like the digital id or filing taxes.

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Post by rgblambda »

nickpp wrote: post #38
mcv wrote: post #35

The EU should fine such intentional violations with a billion euros per violation. That would stop this immediately and force cloud providers to split off their European side into separate companies that don't fall under US law.

The EU is trying relentlessly to read our IMs though.

That's a separate problem.

And it's not "The EU", but really one EU commissioner. Many organs of the EU including the EU Legal Service have criticised CSAR (Chat Control) and the European Parliament has voted against it, effectively killing it.

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Post by robin_reala »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #36

US companies cannot comply with the GDPR because of the CLOUD Act. The two frameworks are fundamentally in conflict with each other and it seems to me that everybody in the EU knows about it, yet this is somehow swept under the carpet and ignored even by government authorities. I've always wondered why this is so and how these kind of dependencies could be allowed in the first place. It's even worse for AI use than i…

Roll on Schrems III.

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Post by robin_reala »

jdw64 wrote: post #10

It seems similar conversations are happening in Europe as well. Originally, Korea is a country where the 'pro US faction' (the faction that believes Korea should be subordinate to the US) is very strong by default. The US had a very strong influence on the establishment of the Korean government, and if you look back at Korea's history, it has always been about finding a country to serve. It feels like siding with the…

I have never seen anti American sentiment this bad

Bad is subjective?

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Post by rgblambda »

andy_ppp wrote: post #27

Is anyone building (open source?) G-Suite - I’m honestly tired of paying Google money and I think everyone needs independence.

Something like nextcloud.com? It's appeared on HN a few times. Some European governments and municipalities have switched to it.
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