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Post by f6v »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #314
sterlind wrote: post #282

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I hope they succeed, for the sake of my mom who's legally blind and has dreamed about them for decades. but I'd be significantly more excited about self-driving if you could buy level-4 AVs that you can actually own.

Are cars really the best option? Could other public transit serve the same purpose? (I was once legally blind, still not a fan of cars myself. Though I understand the appeal when externalities are out of the picture.)

> Could other public transit serve the same purpose?

Population density plays a big part. People think of Europe as a public transportation paradise, but a car makes your life easier outside Berlin, Paris, and other major cities. I live on the edge of Copenhagen and public transportation sucks the further you go from the downtown since the major city turn into a giant suburb really fast. Yes, people bike, but many do drive a car.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by dotcoma »

laurencerowe wrote: post #473
dotcoma wrote: post #446

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How old is your kid? In which European countries do you think the law does not mandate child seats ?

My kid is 2. New York City and most EU countries (including Spain, Portugal, UK, France) allow children to ride in taxis without a car seat. This makes it far more practical for people to live without a car - hard to imagine in most of the US I know. As most such trips are low speed around town (e.g. getting to and from a train station or airport) it seems a reasonable trade off. You of course need a car seat in a pr…

Oh, ok, in taxis you are right.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by trhway »

kortilla wrote: post #477
trhway wrote: post #377

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Well, if they caused you any specific loss nothing prevents you from suing them in civil court like in any other situation when somebody causes you a specific loss. That though is a completely different thing from criminal prosecution.

And if someone died in ambulance that couldn’t get to a hospital in time?

you're talking hypotheticals while in real life for example:

"A Waymo self-driving car blocked a road near a deadly fire, hindering first responders. " https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6uhcVYhmULU

"Waymos blocked roads and caused chaos during San Francisco power outage" https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/waymo-san-francisco-po...

Waymo and specific people there responsible for that programming/bugs could probably be charged with criminal negligence by an enthusiastic prosecutor, yet haven't been. Why? Probably common sense. Like recognizing that there weren't criminal intent. And such situations is a price of progress. The same with protests. They weren't conspiring to block ambulances. And such situations is a price of freedom of protests and speech. Though if somebody dies that way, i think they would have a civil case against the protesters. The same way like affected people can have a civil case against Waymo in the situations mentioned above.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by aetherspawn »

nearbuy wrote: post #459
aetherspawn wrote: post #443

Hm, don’t like the offering. It seems standoffish. If you want to make Waymo into a SaaS and get people really using it, then it’s easy: $100 per month - Unlimited rides $200 per month - Unlimited priority rides Build enough trust in that and people might even get rid of their cars. But in my opinion the problem is the feeling of spending money. People want to avoid that feeling at all costs, or at least want to feel…

$100 per month is way, way too cheap for unlimited rides. That's about 10x cheaper than the amortized monthly cost for owning an average car, without the headache of doing maintenance. They'd be losing a ton of money on each subscriber.

Yes and most people use their car for around 2% of the time they own it. The rest of the time it’s parked up.

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Post by viking123 »

tudelo wrote: post #442
nradov wrote: post #271

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You've got to be kidding. SF police and prosecutors barely do anything about real crimes, never mind blocking a road for a few minutes.

People will reply to you calling you crazy, but SF/bay is the only place I have ever experienced where many people will literally leave their cars unlocked because a broken window isn't worth the hassle. Yes, locking your parked car is a hazard here... and the reason is obvious.

When I read this kind of stuff I am always happy I live in a normal country/place - Singapore. Absolutely insane lmao. Must be fun sitting in your Waymo hitting some panic button and it gets blocked LMAO

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by viking123 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #314
sterlind wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope they succeed, for the sake of my mom who's legally blind and has dreamed about them for decades. but I'd be significantly more excited about self-driving if you could buy level-4 AVs that you can actually own.

Are cars really the best option? Could other public transit serve the same purpose? (I was once legally blind, still not a fan of cars myself. Though I understand the appeal when externalities are out of the picture.)

In America the public transport is used by "youths" so normal people are forced to use cars.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by viking123 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #426
culi wrote: post #422

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Except in this case, damaging cars belonging to Google—a collaborator with ICE— is the point. It's more comparable to people who were damaging Tesla vehicles or the Tyre Extinguishers in the UK than the very common tactic of halting traffic/economic activity to threaten "business as usual"

Property damage is just hooliganism, thugs make an excuse for it no matter if that’s what they feel like doing. The eventual result of America falling into chaos will be countries like China having nice stuff like self driving cars (because they don’t tolerate thugs) while the us doesnt.

If I had to choose I rather take free internet where I don't have to play with some VPN every time I want to do something or play a game in steam. Self driving cars are nice toys though but I don't mind having a driver.

I say this as someone who has lived in China, the system is just too closed and dumb.

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Post by Falimonda »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #398
thebigman433 wrote: post #313

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I think the important thing here is that driving faster hardly makes your trip shorter, especially for trips within a city. You're likely talking about a <1-2 minute difference even if the Tesla is driving recklessly.

Yeah but that's not nothing, and passengers will be annoyed by seeing cars overtake them

This and also that slowing down to drive exactly at the limit into an exit is going to cause unnecessary traffic upstream the freeway

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Post by shafyy »

viking123 wrote: post #485
tudelo wrote: post #442

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People will reply to you calling you crazy, but SF/bay is the only place I have ever experienced where many people will literally leave their cars unlocked because a broken window isn't worth the hassle. Yes, locking your parked car is a hazard here... and the reason is obvious.

When I read this kind of stuff I am always happy I live in a normal country/place - Singapore. Absolutely insane lmao. Must be fun sitting in your Waymo hitting some panic button and it gets blocked LMAO

Singapore is a highly authoritarian place where caning is legal punishment. I would not call this normal, but rather "absolutely insane lmao".

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

shafyy wrote: post #489
viking123 wrote: post #485

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When I read this kind of stuff I am always happy I live in a normal country/place - Singapore. Absolutely insane lmao. Must be fun sitting in your Waymo hitting some panic button and it gets blocked LMAO

Singapore is a highly authoritarian place where caning is legal punishment. I would not call this normal, but rather "absolutely insane lmao".

I live in SF and I absolutely love so much about it, but here and especially in Oakland where I also lived for years, I'd welcome bringing back caning if it meant we could live as safely and securely as in Singapore
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