So it burns tokens? Funny how that lines up with the incentive to pump numbers before going public
Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive
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Are you worried that the price for enterprises would be higher or lower than the $12.11 I quoted? I'll grant that it could be lower if enterprises negotiate bulk discounts, though the stories I've seen suggest that's not happening, for example this one: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-changes-pr... I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that? There are a couple of docu…
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You can get 10x shit done without `rm -rf`ing your files. I don't see any correlation to getting things done with having a proper sandbox.
I haven't yet had an agent rm -rf files. I've had one f up an account by placing 2000 limit orders at the wrong price, but that's another story.
Well then you are behind the cutting edge.
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The real sandbox is not caring if your computer gets bricked.
The machine is no big deal - it's the authn/authz that matters. What can the agents do with the credentials available to them?
Less if you use something like https://agentblocks.ai so they don’t actually get the creds
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#256> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…
You’ve picked an interesting example, as driving a car, even with all safety precautions, is pretty much the most dangerous activity we do on a daily basis. Yet somehow we decide that the benefits outweigh the risks.
Yes, but we usually use cars as a means to an end. Have you ever met a manager who setup gasmaxxing policies and criticized employees for doing their job instead of driving?
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Are you worried that the price for enterprises would be higher or lower than the $12.11 I quoted? I'll grant that it could be lower if enterprises negotiate bulk discounts, though the stories I've seen suggest that's not happening, for example this one: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-changes-pr... I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that? There are a couple of docu…
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I don't understand what you mean by "objective" here.
You're welcome to believe that the pricing I quoted is low and enterprise companies pay more than that, despite the abundant evidence I've provided in this thread.
It sounds to me like you think I'm biased towards Anthropic, despite me highlighting how their model charged $12 for a two line CSS change due to it being "relentlessly proactive".
(I also called their behavior "egregious" just yesterday: https://twitter.com/simonw/status/2064936762099789960)
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There is a pricing model everyone has access to, it's the API pricing model, and it's what simonw quoted. How hard is that to understand?
That is not how enterprise pricing works. Not everything gets the same API model, because not everyone has the same unit economics. But lets make the sane underlying assumptions, does your business work?
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You’ve picked an interesting example, as driving a car, even with all safety precautions, is pretty much the most dangerous activity we do on a daily basis. Yet somehow we decide that the benefits outweigh the risks.
Yes, but we usually use cars as a means to an end. Have you ever met a manager who setup gasmaxxing policies and criticized employees for doing their job instead of driving?
Having played with Fable a bit, if it doesn’t kill tokenmaxxing I don’t know what will.
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