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Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by dekdrop »

rafram wrote: post #127
redox99 wrote: post #98

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Lines of code for a bugfix is a really bad proxy for effort required. You should estimate how much time it would have taken a human

30 seconds or a minute? Look at the diff he links to: https://github.com/datasette/datasette-agent/commit/a75a8b72... Every browser has an inspector that can show you which element is causing overflow. You walk through the tree, find the offender, and add min-width or overflow. Zero tokens, just like in the old days! Now, granted, because the garbage LLM code he’s working with has CSS inside HTML inside JavaScript in…

I was thinking of this too. It did all that what not only for a single line that is a simple thing even for someone new to web coding. That's to say the process matters more.

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Post by peteforde »

Ucalegon wrote: post #218
simonw wrote: post #175

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I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about at this point. I said that my session would cost $12.11 at standard Anthropic prices, based on using AgentsView to calculate cost against tokens used. I further asserted that Anthropic charge enterprise customers those rates. You kicked off a lengthy thread which I tried to follow but eventually lost track of the point you were making and/or the questions you were a…

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You sound very much like you need a long walk and/or a long hug.

Please go touch some grass.

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Post by valleyer »

jeeeb wrote: post #49

This is simultaneously amazing and horrifying. I feel like we’re at the stage where if AI decides it needs to delete your production DB to solve the user login problem, then it’ll find a way to do just that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911524

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by simonw »

Ucalegon wrote: post #218
simonw wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about at this point. I said that my session would cost $12.11 at standard Anthropic prices, based on using AgentsView to calculate cost against tokens used. I further asserted that Anthropic charge enterprise customers those rates. You kicked off a lengthy thread which I tried to follow but eventually lost track of the point you were making and/or the questions you were a…

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Are you worried that the price for enterprises would be higher or lower than the $12.11 I quoted?

I'll grant that it could be lower if enterprises negotiate bulk discounts, though the stories I've seen suggest that's not happening, for example this one: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-changes-pr...

I think higher prices are very unlikely. Do you think I'm wrong about that?

There are a couple of documented ways you could pay more. Anthropic charge 10% extra for "US-only inference" https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#dat... - and you can also pay more for "fast mode", though I don't see a quoted price for Fable for that yet (just prices for Opus): https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing#fas...

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Post by rfw300 »

_345 wrote: post #165
xyzzy123 wrote: post #161

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The real sandbox is not caring if your computer gets bricked.

way worse things can happen than your machine being bricked, if a malicious actor can weaponize an agent to do their bidding

> if a malicious actor can weaponize an agent to do their bidding

In my experience, human employees are much more vulnerable to this particular weakness than frontier agents (i.e. phishing attacks).

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Post by flexagoon »

simonw wrote: post #83
teraflop wrote: post #3

> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

Which agent sandbox do you recommend?

If you're on Linux, the easiest way IMO is to just run the agent in bwrap

I do it like this

https://github.com/flexagoon/dotfiles/blob/main/dot_config/f...

But I'm sure it's simple enough that you can just ask the agent itself to make you a command for it with proper bwrap configuration

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Post by BosunoB »

Fable was trying to verify a UI change in my game. I was working in another window and noticed a program opening on my task bar. Fable had opened the game through the CLI using a movie maker tool, recorded the output, took a frame from the end of it, and used that to verify the UI. When my game's welcome screen obstructed what it wanted to see, it created a temporary worktree, deleted the welcome screen, and ran the movie maker again.

I watched the whole thing thinking it could've just asked me for a screenshot and saved the tokens. But still, I couldn't help but be impressed. Opus never would've done that.

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Post by isodev »

teraflop wrote: post #3

> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

Not to mention OpenAI/Anthropic’s newly found appetite for keeping data (made public with Fable but we don’t know what actually happens there anyway).

There is so much role play going on for people to convince themselves that any of this is fine.

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