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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

GPT-OSS flashbacks intensify

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #13

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people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

In general, I agree with you. However, in the case of model providers, I think it is a more real concern since it could make it into some training data, and then one of your actual competitors could ask the model to code something up and get your IP. I sort of assume the frontier AI labs are good about not doing this when they promise not to, but if you don't have airtight restrictions on what your devs are doing, th…

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #103

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

They seemed to have changed the wording since you posted the comment, now specifying exactly 30 days with seemingly no exceptions. These terms seem to be updated at-will, so I'll take that with a grain of salt however.

I'm not sure they can actually respect that 30 days absolute commitment. Let's say some internal tool flags a suspect conversation, it bubbles up and a human operator reads it and it looks like evidence of a crime. Then, that employee is legally bound in many jurisdictions to prevent the destruction of that piece of evidence.

It's one thing to commit to a "everything is deleted when you press delete" automatic policy. It's quite another to say "we'll keep some stuff for up to 30 days, look inside it for any malfeasance, then pinky promise we'll delete it".

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#187
post #50

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Step 4, get sued because you violated an NDA or other regulation?

I'm not talking about Claude copying. I'm talking about scouring Twitter/LinkedIn and look at posts from employees who say SOTA model is banned. Look at what the business do. Copy it using SOTA. Call their clients with 30% discount and faster turnaround and higher quality product. It is complicated, but I can get Private Equity of even VCs to fund this idea. tl;dr -- I'm actually agreeing with you. Anthropic will nev…

The thing is, just like employees at non-AI forward companies "cheat," by using their personal Claude.ai and ChatGPT.com, so will big companies, or at least some teams/departments regarding this Fable issue. LLMs might be new, but it is known that this kind of behavior is classic.

As you said, if they don't, they will be easy pickings.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #61

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Half of my customers will drop them right away, and the other half, after I explain to them what this means.

You must have very unrepresentative customers. What will they use?

No AI at all, like 5/6 of my customers

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #66

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It's only for this model, not the one you're already using. And they're not training on the data. It's supposedly to detect abuse etc (such as someone retrying repeatedly with different variations to get around their protections)

Yet

If the data was valuable seems like they would offer a lower cost tier where customers would allow training on their data

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#190

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Even worse when you git push something Microsoft gets all your code!

Uhm, no?

I have NO single project on Github.

One of my clients has their project on GitHub.

Every other client I have ever worked with or for ran and runs their own gitforge.

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