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FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by tiagod »

miohtama wrote: post #360
rtkwe wrote: post #236

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It is actually because you can't do anything with the source phone number being tied to an identity if the scammers are freely able to spoof the number that the end networks and users see. Even if every network in the world adopted this it wouldn't matter if caller id isn't fixed so that you can actually see the source number to go ask who it is!

You can. Finland forces operators to stop routing non-verified and spoofed numbers. Spam gone. https://www.tieto.com/en/cases/telecom/global-anti-fraud-mod...

I don't understand how this isn't the default. I get multiple calls every week, sometimes many per day, from people saying I called them. This has been going on for years... (Portugal)

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Post by dghlsakjg »

abustamam wrote: post #379
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #215

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> how much worse off would it be if we still "representatives per person" numbers from 1776 and had a Congress of many thousands? Isn't that actually a major cause of the trouble? You expect Congress to deal with more and more complexities but limit the number of people (i.e. experts) who are members of it, causing them all to be generalists and moreover to have to spend more of their time campaigning rather than deb…

> Suppose it actually had ten thousand members. Then they would be ordinary people. I thought that's how it originally was supposed to be. You were supposed to be represented by a peer, not by a career politician. And then of course, we have fun gerrymandering, where unelected officials will draw random lines to see how they can eke out more votes for their guy. Redistricting is important to do but I'm not convinced…

There are plenty of places with non partisan districting. You don’t hear about it because it tends not to be so outrageous as to be newsworthy.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by ezfe »

lmz wrote: post #345
ezfe wrote: post #323

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A roaming eSIM would work the same way as a roaming SIM. Just because it's easier to set up (no need to get a physical SIM) doesn't change the regulations around it.

I suppose this depends on how the law is written, but are roaming users subject to local SIM regulations for network use? I can't imagine asking for ID from tourists using their existing SIMs is going to work. I believe some travel eSIMs are actually issued from outside the country you're going to.

Right, but that distinction is not because it's an eSIM - it's just how it's issued. There's no technical distinction, just a practical ease of issuance.

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Post by voakbasda »

giantg2 wrote: post #84
voakbasda wrote: post #41

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And with that suggestion, a clause is being added to close that loophole….

So it would be illegal to lend a phone to anyone, even just for one call?

Not illegal. You’ll just be held liable for anything they say.

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Post by dgellow »

kayo_20211030 wrote: post #197
dgellow wrote: post #158

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It’s a EU wide requirement

I dunno. I can go to Tesco in Ireland and the UK (fine, UK is not EU no more, but still Europe) and get a sim without ID.

You’re right, I was mistaken. A proposal circulated to have an EU wide ID requirement but it went nowhere. So it depends the country

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Post by rtkwe »

tiagod wrote: post #401
miohtama wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can. Finland forces operators to stop routing non-verified and spoofed numbers. Spam gone. https://www.tieto.com/en/cases/telecom/global-anti-fraud-mod...

I don't understand how this isn't the default. I get multiple calls every week, sometimes many per day, from people saying I called them. This has been going on for years... (Portugal)

The telephone system design stretches back to the days when it operated purely electro mechanically so there wasn't even the data to know who the original caller much less a way to implement validation to ensure the call was actually from that number. That plus common carrier rules (at least present here in the US) required all the networks to connect every incoming call to prevent them from blocking out competitors. CallerID is a late addition patch on a system designed to remain compatible with the old exchanges and countries have only recently (in legal and bureaucratic terms) modifying laws to allow for blocking and screening.

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Post by sdellis »

deaux wrote: post #325
sdellis wrote: post #228

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Two-party politics promotes gridlock. Multi-party systems, as long as they don't have veto players, don't have as much stagnation and do a better job of citizen representation.

Do they? 79% of Australians and 73% of Germans have an unfavorable view of Israel, in Germany's case 49% of all being "very" unfavorable [0]. Don't see much representation of that in their politics. Both very much multi-party systems. Australia's system in particular has aspects that are often held up as one of the best in the world. Even on important other topics, it doesn't seem to reflect things much. Another exam…

I fear you might be mostly right about global political outcomes favored by big capital. However, both example countries you cited have much stronger social safety nets than the United States. The research shows there is a spectrum, but that multi-party systems generally do create greater citizen representation.

Martin Gilens and Benjamin page published an article that uses data to come to this conclusion about the public's influence on American policy:

"The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

Iskander De Bruycker and Marcel Hanegraaff authored a recent study, focusing on the EU, in which they "demonstrate that interest groups with more economic resources are generally more influential, but only if their policy positions are congruent with a public majority." Sorry this one is paywalled. Such is the state of academic publishing. :(

[0] https://archive.org/details/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_th...

[1] European Journal of Political Research , Volume 63 , Issue 1 , February 2024 , pp. 26 - 44 DOI: https://doi.org/10.1111/1475-6765.12582

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by tgrowazay »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #349
trumpdong wrote: post #307

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There are phone farms that exclusively use burner phones and do not need to spoof caller ID.

Let's recall the claim here: >>> I think in general the ability to spoof numbers should be banned / controlled. Someone from India should not be allowed to call me with a caller ID from Mayo Clinic. >> This has absolutely nothing to do with burner phones and the proposed changes won't do anything to change that. > That is not correct. There a phone farms operating purely on burner phones This is total nonsense. A pho…

Wait, you’re right, I think I misread your comment somehow or got it mixed with another comment.

Sorry about that.

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