If it’s for future models at the same level of Sonnet and Opus, then it might become a problem for the for companies using this.
At the end of the day we will need private LLMs and Cohere might save a traço great chance here
AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
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Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
#182The root of the problem is that AI-as-a-service is corked, because companies providing it have a hell of an incentive to use all that data to out-compete their competitors, and they can do so in secret. To say nothing of salivating law-enforcement who really, really wants to tap into it. I'm hoping there will be at some point open-source and affordable hardware that can run competent models.
The root of the problem is that ordinary people don't make enough noises for any problems they see in life, so they are essentially cattles.
Do you care about cattle's opinions? I guess a few of us do, but most of us don't.
Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every one of the competitors capable of a similar model have been salivating for a long time at the idea of consensual data sharing. Anthropic just opened the door for everyone to do the same thing without having to deal with being the first to do so. My bet is that OpenAI etc’s next model will have these same requirements. Ever since the Mythos announcement it’s been clear that we’re heading towards a future where S…
No, we are unhappy because there is no guarantee that my corporate documents wont be shared or trained on. We are already paying plus for using bedrock instead of the API version from Anthropic, so now there is no reason to use bedrock anymore. This whole thing about this model being too powerful to share is just the usual BS. Is an advanced model that dont have guardrails, just like the models that have been shared…
> We are already paying plus for using bedrock instead of the API version from Anthropic, so now there is no reason to use bedrock anymore.
Doesn't Bedrock have the same API token pricing as paying Anthropic direct?
Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
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Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
#185Note that if you use AWS Bedrock then you're choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic. It is literally 10X to 20-X cheaper to directly buy Anthropic subscriptions for your devs.
Yeah thats not the point though. We 'trust' Amazon already and Amazon has no incentive at all to collect the data to finetune claude because they don't own claude.
Amazon owns a large stake in Anthropic if I'm not mistaken?
Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every one of the competitors capable of a similar model have been salivating for a long time at the idea of consensual data sharing. Anthropic just opened the door for everyone to do the same thing without having to deal with being the first to do so. My bet is that OpenAI etc’s next model will have these same requirements. Ever since the Mythos announcement it’s been clear that we’re heading towards a future where S…
No, we are unhappy because there is no guarantee that my corporate documents wont be shared or trained on. We are already paying plus for using bedrock instead of the API version from Anthropic, so now there is no reason to use bedrock anymore. This whole thing about this model being too powerful to share is just the usual BS. Is an advanced model that dont have guardrails, just like the models that have been shared…
>This whole thing about this model being too powerful to share is just the usual BS.
Then stop using AI.
>But I want it all and I want it now.
Spend a trillion dollars and make your own model.
>No fair!
Then petition your government to enact laws around this. Unfortunately the US government rules are currently "Yes, we want AI to take over the world with terminators, just as long as they share data with us".
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone has never dealt with HIPAA laws and it shows.
Who out there is going to be feeding patient medical data to Mythos/Fable?
...the same groups who are currently feeding it to Sonnet and Opus?
Well, they won't be feeding it to Fable unless Anthropic can provide a signed BAA.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment.
They give it some thought, but Anthropic and AWS have the whole menu of compliance and security checkboxes needed to reassure CISO it doesn’t need to be “the office of no” and can allow the AI onboarding. The pressure to adopt and adapt to AI is so high right now that there’s nothing a CISO or CFO can say to stop its adoption. And the more they say “no” or “wait,” the more at-risk they put their job.
> The pressure to adopt and adapt to AI is so high right now that there’s nothing a CISO or CFO can say to stop its adoption. And the more they say “no” or “wait,” the more at-risk they put their job.
I am not saying you're wrong, but man that's so crazy. "We have these people whose very jobs are to make sure the company prospers, but we're going to ignore them because hype hype hype". Wild, man.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it’s not larger, it’d be tough to justify the massive price increase for using it.
Price is based on perceived value, not cost to produce. There is no international court of price justifications; if customers are willing to pay $X you can charge $X.
That and a model can be the same size, yet use a lot more compute, I guess think of it as intelligence per watt used or something like that.
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Which will work for the several weeks it takes for the other commercial providers to follow suit. The tides are turning. AI companies are IPO'ing. They've gotten where they are by selling $5 bills for $1, to update the old VC adage. I think we can look forward to them rewriting the contracts, both literal and social, on AI going forward to capture a lot more of the value. Or, to put it in more HN-friendly terms, it m…
Bedrock supports many models. Open weights models aren't far behind, maybe a year, 18 months. Given they could have done this with data residency rules being respected and chose not to suggests all I need to know - this is for Anthropics IPO, not for user safety
>Open weights models aren't far behind, maybe a year, 18 months.
No, open weights are always a year behind +. By the time that year passes Anthropic/OpenAI/Google will have some new model that is ahead of the open models by a year.
Looking at computer security for the last 30 years, no one gives a fuck about user safety. Companies care about profits, and individuals don't care enough for strong laws.
We'll be back here in another year on HN talking about why we should give our retina sample and blood to Anthropic to use the model with a ton of people doing it. It's just the way humans are.