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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by ActorNightly »

Cider9986 wrote: post #358
ActorNightly wrote: post #312

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I absolutely adore the historical revisionism that apple cares about privacy. Run your router through a linux laptop as a proxy so you can capture traffic, connect any apple device to your router, and see the vasts amount of data your device sends to apple. Apple DGAF about privacy, they want your data as much as anyone else, their only thing is that they should be the only ones to get it and then other people have t…

Apple added e2ee and created the most complete end to end encrypted cloud ecosystem to prevent that from happening again.

Do you trust them to actually implement that correctly, and also do you trust them not to share your data with others, and if so, why?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by leokennis »

bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

Always appreciate people answering their own questions in great detail!

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by the_mar »

tguedes wrote: post #529
miki123211 wrote: post #507

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From an EU perspective, Microsoft is doing data protection, Apple is doing data privacy. Microsoft's approach to data is basically "we promise nobody else but you and your government can access it, we can but we pinky swear we won't." This promise is mostly enforced at the legal layer and through legal consequences, not technical safeguards. If they think they can get away with it (or are forced to get away with it b…

There has been anecdotal statements/blogs from Apple employees about the data privacy. They have said building some internal capabilities or user facing features are extremely difficult or impossible because they aren't able to access user data at the level required.

From the information presented, the privacy case is not that your data is only accessible to you (which arguably can have a backdoor) but that the data is NOT stored at all, so it's not possible to build a backdoor. I know there are probably other ways around it, but it's my understanding is that no data is kept on any server when the response is sent back to your device

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by the_mar »

tguedes wrote: post #549
brianmcnulty wrote: post #536

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That seems to conflict with the recent security blog that says they are using Google Cloud infra and NVIDIA GPUs with PCC now [0]. They are allowing it to run on Intel and NVIDIA and Google chips meeting certain requirements now too instead of just Apple silicon because they think they’re secure enough now, but I suspect this decision might have been pushed by the need for Siri to be useful. I still definitely think…

Ah thank you for that, the MacRumors article was misleading to not even have mentioned this.

pardon my ignorance, but why does compute hardware pose any security concerns?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by tguedes »

the_mar wrote: post #584
tguedes wrote: post #549

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Ah thank you for that, the MacRumors article was misleading to not even have mentioned this.

pardon my ignorance, but why does compute hardware pose any security concerns?

It's not the compute hardware itself. PCC used to be data centers owned and operated by Apple, running on chips designed by Apple.

With this announcement, Apple is expanding the definition of PCC to Google Cloud data centers. Theoretically, this is Google Cloud, not Google servers, so there should be a separation of access there.

From the Apple security blog:

> Originally built exclusively on Apple silicon with our world-class software security technologies, PCC set a new bar for AI privacy in the cloud, and continues to power the most demanding Apple Intelligence features. Since then, the wider industry has been working to provide a set of confidential inference primitives that could theoretically be combined to reach the security level of PCC. However, until today, those primitives have never been integrated into a comprehensive, end-to-end confidential inference pipeline capable of operating at global scale. That’s what we’ve done with PCC on Google Cloud, which incorporates PCC’s exceptional security and privacy properties at every stage, including the industry’s most comprehensive transparency guarantees that allow external security researchers to verify our privacy commitments.

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Post by DANmode »

DANmode wrote: post #375
Cider9986 wrote: post #358

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Apple added e2ee and created the most complete end to end encrypted cloud ecosystem to prevent that from happening again.

Is that secret code for “rate-limited auth on the Find My API”?

I’m not breaking NDA if I never signed one/was nowhere near the company or situation, you guys can fuck yourselves lol ^_^

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Cider9986 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #581
Cider9986 wrote: post #358

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Apple added e2ee and created the most complete end to end encrypted cloud ecosystem to prevent that from happening again.

Do you trust them to actually implement that correctly, and also do you trust them not to share your data with others, and if so, why?

I don't use it, but yes I think that it works because they have everything to lose and nothing to gain. They definitely could share whatever data they have with whoever, which is why you use e2ee.

At the end of the day you are trusting Apple with pretty much everything if you use this service because they make most of your phone, the entire operating system, host the update servers, etc.

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Post by bigyabai »

esskay wrote: post #537
bel8 wrote: post #535

I sniff iPhone prompts ending up in Musk's xAI servers... Apple -> Google -> xAI datacenter see: Google to pay SpaceX $920 million a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/05/google-to-pay-spacex-920-mil...

They're using Google compute, that doesn't mean Google can access the data, especially given the E2EE setup Apple are going with.

> especially given the E2EE setup Apple are going with.

I'm endlessly amused by so-called hackers that insist "E2EE is secure" but forgot about "SSL added and removed here :)"

You really trust Google to protect your privacy in 2026? Because E2EE keeps you "safe"? Yeah, good luck with that: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/NSA_Musc...

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Caracas288 »

brookst wrote: post #541
Caracas288 wrote: post #449

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Those datacentres would be in the same position of trust as a VPN provider in that the data must be unencrypted at points in the process. They could be making it very safe, and the things apple says they are doing would make it as safe as possible, but as a user there is no way of verifying the claims.

Have you read the PCC whitepapers? Are you saying the user-facing verification methods in them are insufficient, or vulnerable, or just false?

The previous argument was wrong and imprecise, as it could be used against any modern technology, none of which can be fully understood by a user, in the sense that any vulnerability would be completely invisible.

It’s clear they have made a very intelligent approach to this system.

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