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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by SoftTalker »

btown wrote: post #334
impulser_ wrote: post #267

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They are using Google Cloud. https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/?linkId=100000... "Now, we are collaborating with Google and NVIDIA to run new Apple Intelligence workloads on Google Cloud, extending our industry-leading PCC privacy commitments to third-party data centers for the first time."

Per that link: I think there's an interesting question about whether a nefarious actor who's infiltrated a cloud provider with physical access to machines that are running signed operating systems, with signed binaries, with TDX remote attestation, and with hardware supply chain verification, has the ability to break the privacy guarantees of a tenant with Apple's sophistication. Certainly, one could tamper with the…

Why bother with all that cloak and dagger stuff when they can just buy the data? You believe Apple and/or Google isn't selling it? I have some land in Florida I'd like to talk about.

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Post by jiggawatts »

noobcoder wrote: post #349

At its core, it’s still doing what Google Assistant and Siri were doing since many years Not sure what extra are we achieving here

Only if you consider Google Image Search and Google Nano Banana to be "the same thing" since they both produce an image based on text input!

Similarly, Google Translate's millions of lines of hand-rolled code has been entirely superseded by LLMs that do a vastly better job.

The LLM-based AI assistants are based on a wildly different technology stack with very different capabilities compared to the legacy "if-then-else" logic programming that Siri was based on.

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Post by russelldjimmy »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #330
dd8601fn wrote: post #146

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What indicates they’ve given google anything other than a truckload of cash? There’s zero data sharing in the arrangement and the stuff is running on apple devices and in Apples Private Compute. Not even Apple has access to it, by design.

No reasonable person relies on Apple's statements as facts. That said by Apple's laywers, and is especially true here. Apple can access the data if they want, and so can Google and Nvidia.

And why would a reasonable person rely on your statement alone as fact?

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Post by Bud »

layer8 wrote: post #266
dwaite wrote: post #228

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> It’s not clear how it is significantly different from allowing apps access to your contacts, calendar, photos, and so on Those are allowed via contextual consent prompts, several of which are for specific contacts, specific photos you wish to share, and so on. Examples of the level of access an AI agent has include: 1. To read all indexed personal data from every app installed on the device 2. To perform actions in…

How is this substantially different from Safari extensions that can effectively see and act upon everything you do in the browser? One can imagine contextual prompts for all of the examples that you give, like which data sources and which apps the AI provider is given access to — similar to how you can choose for a Safari extension which websites it has access to — and for how long. That all seams reasonably implemen…

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jiggawatts wrote: post #352
noobcoder wrote: post #349

At its core, it’s still doing what Google Assistant and Siri were doing since many years Not sure what extra are we achieving here

Only if you consider Google Image Search and Google Nano Banana to be "the same thing" since they both produce an image based on text input! Similarly, Google Translate's millions of lines of hand-rolled code has been entirely superseded by LLMs that do a vastly better job. The LLM-based AI assistants are based on a wildly different technology stack with very different capabilities compared to the legacy "if-then-els…

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Post by fastball »

jiggawatts wrote: post #352
noobcoder wrote: post #349

At its core, it’s still doing what Google Assistant and Siri were doing since many years Not sure what extra are we achieving here

Only if you consider Google Image Search and Google Nano Banana to be "the same thing" since they both produce an image based on text input! Similarly, Google Translate's millions of lines of hand-rolled code has been entirely superseded by LLMs that do a vastly better job. The LLM-based AI assistants are based on a wildly different technology stack with very different capabilities compared to the legacy "if-then-els…

Was Google Translate millions of lines of hand-rolled code? The Transformer architecture was invented for Google Translate, before it was used to build "LLMs".

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Post by kalleboo »

kube-system wrote: post #227
pjmlp wrote: post #212

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Try is a magic word.

It's not magic to those paying attention. The current model runs on device. And gemma e4b is already demonstrably capable on iPhone hardware, which is likely to be similar to what this is.

The new model only runs on device on iPhone 17 Pro or M3 Macs or newer. Anyone else is getting server compute.

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Post by Cider9986 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #312
luk212 wrote: post #21

Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

I absolutely adore the historical revisionism that apple cares about privacy. Run your router through a linux laptop as a proxy so you can capture traffic, connect any apple device to your router, and see the vasts amount of data your device sends to apple. Apple DGAF about privacy, they want your data as much as anyone else, their only thing is that they should be the only ones to get it and then other people have t…

Apple added e2ee and created the most complete end to end encrypted cloud ecosystem to prevent that from happening again.

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Post by pipeline_peak »

I’m not thrilled about any sort of Apple AI. I see it more as the convenience of platform lock in that ideally would be in the hands of all serious AI contenders but we all know that’ll never happen.

Every mainstream product seems to have their own “SmarterChild on steroids” bolted on top (Gemini for Google, Rovo for jira, Copilot for Microsoft everything, etc).

I’ll still use the serious ones like ChatGPT/Claude as my main but I think these companies know that and are just trying to jump the bandwagon so they don’t look outdate. Either way, they can be surprisingly convenient and make up for UI/UX learning curves.

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