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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by paride5745 »

dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

You think Google cares.

Google doesn't care they do not control iOS. Google cares to have their products everywhere. For many years Google apps were better on iOS than on Android, because on Android they just preinstall them while on iOS they need to be installed explicitly.

Android is not a Google product, it is just a tool for Google to collect data. If they manage to collect data via Apple Intelligence they are going to do it. Regardless of what Apple marketing says.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

criley2 wrote: post #518
brookst wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should read the paper. Like any good security paper, it doesn’t assert immunity to particular parties. Instead, covers things like how PCC attests that the running software image is identical to the publicly-available, forensically-studied one. Fear is real for sure, but don’t let fear be an excuse to lose rigor in thinking.

This is a non-answer, and in fact, a statement like "don't let fear be an excuse to lose rigor in thinking" in response to my question "how verifiable are their claims" is insulting and sloppy. Rigor in thinking includes human discussion and humans asking questions, but yet you shot that down. ChatGPT, do what this user wouldn't, and answer the dang question: > No, Apple cannot verify that Private Cloud Compute is co…

"I did not like your answer, therefore I will use the 100% reliable, bullet-proof method of having an algorithm generate the statistically most likely words that form a plausible answer to my question."

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by tguedes »

brianmcnulty wrote: post #513
jesseendahl wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This part of their requirements for how PCC is architected directly addresses your concern: “Verifiable transparency. Security researchers need to be able to verify, with a high degree of confidence, that our privacy and security guarantees for Private Cloud Compute match our public promises. We already have an earlier requirement for our guarantees to be enforceable. Hypothetically, then, if security researchers had…

They do this by allowing you to download all of the components (minus data cryptexes containing the model weights) and run it on your own Apple silicon chip (you can put your computer in recovery mode and use csrutil to enable research guest operating systems) I think what is concerning is that they are expanding into Google Cloud and NVIDIA to run with it too with their versions of confidential compute, which if I r…

From my understanding of the architecture, Apple and Google have basically developed a fork of Gemini that is built to run on Apple's PCC. There is no data being sent to any Google servers.

From this MacRumors article:

"The new architecture centers on Apple Foundation Models co-developed with Google, which Apple says are adapted to run both on-device and on servers through its existing Private Cloud Compute infrastructure."

And

"The company reiterated that Apple Intelligence relies on on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, with a promise that user data is only used to execute the immediate request and is not accessible to Apple or third parties. Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time.""

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by ChocolateGod »

349187 wrote: post #530

That is very logical. Google's AI has rapidly become better at search and presents answers in a tolerable way. If we disregard exploitation of the primary sources and focus purely on a use case, search summaries are it. Generative AI is completely useless and OpenAI and Anthropic will soon fail. The Segway is maybe fun for a day, then you ask yourself why the heck you aren't using a bike in the first place.

I must use Google's AI responses on its web search about 40% of the time now.

It's just far easier to get a direct answer to what I'm looking for than going through mountains of SEO spam.

I congratulate SEO optimization companies on doing the very opposite of what they intended to do.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by brianmcnulty »

tguedes wrote: post #533
brianmcnulty wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do this by allowing you to download all of the components (minus data cryptexes containing the model weights) and run it on your own Apple silicon chip (you can put your computer in recovery mode and use csrutil to enable research guest operating systems) I think what is concerning is that they are expanding into Google Cloud and NVIDIA to run with it too with their versions of confidential compute, which if I r…

From my understanding of the architecture, Apple and Google have basically developed a fork of Gemini that is built to run on Apple's PCC. There is no data being sent to any Google servers. From this MacRumors article: "The new architecture centers on Apple Foundation Models co-developed with Google, which Apple says are adapted to run both on-device and on servers through its existing Private Cloud Compute infrastru…

That seems to conflict with the recent security blog that says they are using Google Cloud infra and NVIDIA GPUs with PCC now [0].

They are allowing it to run on Intel and NVIDIA and Google chips meeting certain requirements now too instead of just Apple silicon because they think they’re secure enough now, but I suspect this decision might have been pushed by the need for Siri to be useful.

I still definitely think it’s better than what every other company is trying to do (like running a variant of OpenClaw 24/7 forwarding data to Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and every other provider they can support).

[0] https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by esskay »

bel8 wrote: post #535

I sniff iPhone prompts ending up in Musk's xAI servers... Apple -> Google -> xAI datacenter see: Google to pay SpaceX $920 million a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/05/google-to-pay-spacex-920-mil...

They're using Google compute, that doesn't mean Google can access the data, especially given the E2EE setup Apple are going with.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Gareth321 »

testfrequency wrote: post #482
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that someone would go on a multi hour car trip based on an AI-generated route without manually checking where they're actually going is quite funny to me. Some older HN members will remember when the first stories a la 'the GPS told me to drive down that ravine' started coming out. I'm looking forward to "my AI assistant routed me to Kangiqiniq, Canada and border security detained me when I couldn't produce…

I sometimes think about the time I was on a road trip with a friend, and for what was generally a 3 hour trip to the mountain, was 5 hours for my friend driving. Midway through the trip I was suspicious of the duration, traffic was fine. He was adamant he knew where he was going. I pulled up google maps, and sure enough. 3 hours. Turns out, his mapping app wasn’t aware of an offramp, so instead it wanted us to drive…

I had a similar experience with Apple Maps. I swore it off forever that day.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Gareth321 »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #93
t0mas88 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at the same time they claim it can't be rolled out in Europe because the DMA would force them to allow selection of other AI providers? Which would not even be true if this was an Apple product built on the models of Google, just like the DMA does not force them to pick a different datacenter of office cleaning provider.

There's a post here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think it's other AI providers that Apple is upset about. The DMA would require users to be able install any openclaw like thing onto their device with access to everything that Siri can access today. There are all sorts of arguments to be made here but I can understand why Apple feels this way…

People can already install applications and give those applications access to their files, photos, camera, microphone, etc. I don't see the fundamental difference, provided the user chooses to provide access to this data.
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