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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

Veyu wrote: post #432

If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

The idea that someone would go on a multi hour car trip based on an AI-generated route without manually checking where they're actually going is quite funny to me. Some older HN members will remember when the first stories a la 'the GPS told me to drive down that ravine' started coming out. I'm looking forward to "my AI assistant routed me to Kangiqiniq, Canada and border security detained me when I couldn't produce a passport".

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by 9dev »

JimDabell wrote: post #438
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we have to believe that it's not backdoored because they say so? That's incredibly naïve.

No. I provided the link so you could read more about it.

I have read it. The entire trust hinges on several critical points, such as trusting secure boot.

You remember when the NSA injected itself in TLS termination at all major cloud providers? You remember when several giant automotive corporations built elaborate detection of testing scenarios to fake emissions? You remember room 641A?

I have no real way to tell if this is security Theater or meaningful protection. None of us has,

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by sdwvit »

Veyu wrote: post #432

If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

IMO if it is not absolutely net positive, it is very close to being that

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by jorisw »

cubefox wrote: post #399
bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> Everything excluding Cloud Pro are custom models running on Apple Silicon, "refined" using Google Gemini What could "refined" mean here?

I was thinking distilled?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by jorisw »

Mallory_Ringess wrote: post #410
russelldjimmy wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why would a reasonable person rely on your statement alone as fact?

Because it would be foolish to just trust them on their statements both given their history as well as given the fact that they're in it for the money and tend to follow the path which brings in more of it.

Quite the typical outsider's simplistic view. Privacy is one of their core brand values. If they don't follow through on those, their brand erodes.

And what history?

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Post by Quothling »

paulluuk wrote: post #446
Quothling wrote: post #403

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> wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Gotta have Siri listening for carplay and so on. I wou…

> I use a lot of AI professionally, but I haven't even turned on Bixby or whatever the Samsung AI is called. I know this was just a small aside, but man do I hate Bixby and other phone AIs. They are so frustratingly difficult to turn off, and turning them on accidentally is as simply as holding the wrong button for a few seconds, such as when your phone is in your pocket. Very frustrating design.

I never turned Bixby on, so it never really bothers me except for when I update and it want me to accept something which I decline. I turned the button off, I forgot what I switched it to but holy hell was that annoying.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Quothling »

JimDabell wrote: post #406
Quothling wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Gotta have Siri listening for carplay and so on. I wou…

> Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Your conception doesn’t seem to match PCC at all. The whole point of it is that nobody can access the…

I don't trust a single US tech company to keep my data private from the US government. Maybe I need a tinfoil hat, but I don't feel like I'm unjustified in this based on the history going back to echelon. Not that this is a particular jive at the USA, my own government (Danish) actively pushes for mass surveillance and non-functional e2e encryption.

There is still a difference though. Google will sell my data and use it for all sorts of things. Though I've obviously accepted that since I have had a Samsung flip phone since Apple made their iPhones too big for my pockets.

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Post by ElFitz »

halapro wrote: post #442
ElFitz wrote: post #394

I used to wonder what "apps" might become in an "App Intent-first" world. Bundles that provide data and capabilities to iOS and Siri? And perhaps libraries of UI components to display and interact with said data? But then, if that works really well, and gets strong adoption, why ever open the app? What’s the point of having navigation flows inside an app? Could one make entire apps solely dedicated to providing a set…

If you remember Windows Phone 8, it has already been tried and nobody (ahem, no company) wanted that. No company is stupid enough to give up their content and infra and get none of the screen real estate. I can see a parallel with hotels and OTAs, but in that case appearing on an OTA brings in sales. Showing $userA's content on $userB's screen won't earn any money from $company.

I remember Windows Phone 8 existed, but that’s pretty much it. And yes, that’s the big question: what’s in it for the app publishers?

:/

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

JimDabell wrote: post #438
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we have to believe that it's not backdoored because they say so? That's incredibly naïve.

No. I provided the link so you could read more about it.

That's "because they said so" but with more words. Sorry, but a pretty blog post is not proof enough.
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