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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by FrasiertheLion »

chvid wrote: post #338

Let us hope the EU forces Apple to allow the end-user to choose the external model: Wouldn’t it be amazing having privacy first local models calling out via a welldefined open protocol to a model of your choice: Claude, Grok, DeepSeek? Sounds like OS architecture done right - screw the kickback business model.

That's basically what we built at Tinfoil. We run open source models inside secure enclaves (also using Intel TDX/AMD SEV-SNP + NVIDIA Confidential Computing). All the code running inside the enclave is open source and the client SDKs (also open source) automatically verify that the pinned source code matches the runtime attestation. The protocol used is TLS (terminates in the enclave) + HPKE keys generated inside the enclave on boot. Docs walk you through the verification process: https://docs.tinfoil.sh/verification/verification-in-tinfoil

Of course, we can't support Claude or Grok as they are closed source, but there is no incentive for companies that need your data to train the next generation of models to allow for private inference. One day...

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by ElFitz »

I used to wonder what "apps" might become in an "App Intent-first" world.

Bundles that provide data and capabilities to iOS and Siri? And perhaps libraries of UI components to display and interact with said data?

But then, if that works really well, and gets strong adoption, why ever open the app? What’s the point of having navigation flows inside an app? Could one make entire apps solely dedicated to providing a set of data, capabilities, and UI components to the system?

In that world, what drives user retention, for such apps? What even is an app? App engagement disappears as well.

And that’s not even diving into the use-case of Siri, say, planning a trip across five different apps (flights, hotel, restaurants, whatever) using just App Intents. If done well.

In that world, do most apps just become plugins, providers for Siri?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

ElFitz wrote: post #394

I used to wonder what "apps" might become in an "App Intent-first" world. Bundles that provide data and capabilities to iOS and Siri? And perhaps libraries of UI components to display and interact with said data? But then, if that works really well, and gets strong adoption, why ever open the app? What’s the point of having navigation flows inside an app? Could one make entire apps solely dedicated to providing a set…

Well, there’ll always be room for people who want different UI/UX. Humans are too visual to ever move to “pure voice” and so we’ll inevitably have nice screens and thus UI preferences (technically you get preferences with voice too but it’s weirder)

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Post by troupo »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #93
t0mas88 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at the same time they claim it can't be rolled out in Europe because the DMA would force them to allow selection of other AI providers? Which would not even be true if this was an Apple product built on the models of Google, just like the DMA does not force them to pick a different datacenter of office cleaning provider.

There's a post here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think it's other AI providers that Apple is upset about. The DMA would require users to be able install any openclaw like thing onto their device with access to everything that Siri can access today. There are all sorts of arguments to be made here but I can understand why Apple feels this way…

What good experience? Siri has sucked for over 10 years, completely degrading in the last few, with no way to change it to a more capable assistant.

Apple doesn't care about "offering a good experience". Apple cares about vendor lock in. It pisses off even me, a long-time (18 years and counting) Apple user.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by ElFitz »

MattDamonSpace wrote: post #396
ElFitz wrote: post #394

I used to wonder what "apps" might become in an "App Intent-first" world. Bundles that provide data and capabilities to iOS and Siri? And perhaps libraries of UI components to display and interact with said data? But then, if that works really well, and gets strong adoption, why ever open the app? What’s the point of having navigation flows inside an app? Could one make entire apps solely dedicated to providing a set…

Well, there’ll always be room for people who want different UI/UX. Humans are too visual to ever move to “pure voice” and so we’ll inevitably have nice screens and thus UI preferences (technically you get preferences with voice too but it’s weirder)

Yes, but you can have this by providing surfaces as UI components to Siri.

Not sure if they do that (yet), but no reason an app couldn’t expose "Here’s what you can use to present data of shape X", or "here’s a UI for process doing y".

It feels like turning the common approach inside-out. But it works.

Edit: you could even imagine, in that world, apps that only expose surfaces, composable UI libraries, multi-step flows, declaring what they’re for, what kind of inputs they take, and what output they produce. Without ever owning any of the data (eg flights data, hotels inventory, booked trips, financial data, etc) or capabilities (eg book a flight).

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by cubefox »

bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> Everything excluding Cloud Pro are custom models running on Apple Silicon, "refined" using Google Gemini

What could "refined" mean here?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by troupo »

dwaite wrote: post #238
troupo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: Since it's the user 's device, not Apple's, EU correctly "interprets" this as the user has the right to do whatever they please, including installing third-party chat apps. Apple are just bulshitters when it comes to actual users, and not their corporate definition of a user. BTW, did you know that in Japan, and in Japan only, you can change the Siri shortcut button to start other voice assistants? https…

> Or that they wouldn't let you set default maps app outside of the EU They were mandated to create a scheme in isolation on a deadline, without having input either from navigation apps or from consumers, and without any requirement that web browsers or other operating systems would need to support the same scheme. As another comment pointed out - it doesn't work. Websites and apps still integrate with a navigation p…

> They were mandated to create a scheme in isolation on a deadline

Self-imposed isolation and deadline.

> without having input either from navigation apps or from consumers

Because Apple never asked either navigation app developers or consumers since "Apple knows best" and spent several years fighting DMA instead of implementing these features.

> Websites and apps still integrate with a navigation product directly, rather than use this scheme.

Because there was no scheme to begin with, and when Apple finally relented and made it, it only made it available in the EU.

> Until everyone is sitting at the table wanting to work towards interoperability, the feature simply can't work.

Yes, Apple doesn't want to sit at the table to work towards interoperability.

Apple Maps was made default on iOS in 2012. They literally only implemented the "scheme" last year, 13 years later.

DMA entered force in 2022. Apple had known about it coming for at least two years before that.

And even without DMA that would be a proper thing to do to begin with which they had to be forced to do by government action.

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