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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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You have to manually start the change, it doesn't do it continuously. For the vast majority of services, even if this action fails and the wrong password is saved (!?) you're still just a "forgot password" click away.

If it’s so easy, why use AI to do it?

Because it’s easy, but not enjoyable.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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I see it differently… Apple has chosen to treat the model as a commodity. By making Gemini an implementation detail, they leave the door open to swap it out for Anthropic or OpenAI without end-users even knowing or caring. So I think they're creating leverage in any future negotiation.

> I see it differently… Apple has chosen to treat the model as a commodity It didn't work out well for Yahoo.com. It turned out that Google Search was the value and yahoo.com just skin around it. It might be the same for Apple. Gemini is the valuable part, what particular device you use it on matters less.

iPhone is a hardware and Apple is a hardware company. So the 'skin' they sell is much more valuable than Yahoo.

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Spoiler alert; Google is the nefarious actor.

I think the last thing Google wants to do is get on the bad side of their largest partners.

their largest partner is probably the US government.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Everyone assumes this is apple paying Google to use their stuff. But maybe its the other way around. Maybe this is the google search engine deal 2.0. i.e. Apple agrees to sell their customers to Google for money. I know that right now its supposed to run privately and all that, but its still Google's voice telling you things, not to mention intepreting your instructions.

Lmao there is no way. Think about the economics of AI inference vs. Google search. The latter was cheap and easily offset by ad views. The former is expensive, not to mention Apple has no internal prowess in this area atm. And honestly? That's fine. One company shouldn't be "doing everything" no matter how desperately Apple wants that to be the case for itself.

Google right now offers plenty of AI inference for free for everyone on the planet. They also offered their £20 AI pro package for free for over a year for all students. I use that and its a very generous offering. Some more free AI inference for Apple users (where you've now selected for high income folk, simply by virtue of being Apple users) would make plenty of sense, I imagine.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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They are a hardware company at heart, the do software as software is needed. For building a competitive AI they'd have to hire the talent, which is expensive and then do a massive investment, which may still end up far behind the competition. (See there attempts with Siri) Now they can pick the model they want and if time is right they can still build their own. In the end they still want to sell devices. They aren't…

>> They are a hardware company at heart, the do software as software is needed. This has never been true, not since Steve Jobs returned. The heart of Apple is software and hardware integration. Hardware companies that do software just to prop up the hardware business do terrible software, and (no doubt the Apple haters gonna hate this) but Apple does - for the most part - amazing software. >> which is expensive and t…

>This has never been true, not since Steve Jobs returned.

This is true now more than ever, since their hardware is now much better than the competition and the software pretty abysmal.

>The heart of Apple is software and hardware integration.

The heart of Apple is integrating their excellent hardware with their subpar software in order to force users to adopt it.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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What good experience? Siri has sucked for over 10 years, completely degrading in the last few, with no way to change it to a more capable assistant. Apple doesn't care about "offering a good experience". Apple cares about vendor lock in. It pisses off even me, a long-time (18 years and counting) Apple user.

You’re hurling a separate set of UX issues onto the subject of the EU’s deferred inclusion Also is Siri the only thing you’re using in your Apple products that you’re so clueless as to ask “what good experience”? I mean, what kept you in the ecosystem for 18 years and counting?

> You’re hurling a separate set of UX issues onto the subject of the EU’s deferred inclusion

It wasn't me who said "I can understand why Apple feels this way and wants to offer a good experience here."

> Also is Siri the only thing you’re using in your Apple products that you’re so clueless as to ask “what good experience”? I mean, what kept you in the ecosystem for 18 years and counting?

"How dare you criticize the company whose products you're using"

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

I haven't seen the livestream, but I just heard that they intend to have their AI automatically change your passwords on websites if it considers them insecure, which sounds to me like the worst idea for AI so far, and that bar is high.

And if something breaks, and something will break - it's Software+Apple, their support will talk to you for 3 hours very professionally, giving you the scenic route of everything IT support has done in last 300 years and then they will schedule another call, apparently with an expert, on which you will be told to reboot your devices (yeah, all of them), and next stop will be asking you to reinstall your devices clean, of course they will remind you to backup data and how iCloud plans can help. After all that you will be asked to go to a support centre and drop your laptop there (that is, if your device is still under warranty).

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Any business can do this now actually - you just need to lease/rent hardware through a Google partner and you can run an Nvidia based server in your own datacenter running (supposedly) the latest full Gemini models.

Yap it’s called GDC and I’ve set it up for customer that requires it because of regulatory compliance. It’s very expensive but you got the box ready in your data center and is managed by both Google and partner.

How hard was it to setup ? Any tips ?
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