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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by camillomiller »

kennywinker wrote: post #171
camillomiller wrote: post #65

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It’s a bit like when Steve Jobs turned down acquiring Dropbox telling them they’re just a feature, not a product

And then they created icloud and now it makes them like $110 billion a year while dropbox makes like $2.5b. I think history has proven them right. (Ok so $110b is all services revenue not just icloud, but icloud’s a solid chunk of that)

I was in the beat at the time. If you had read what pundits were saying at the time you would find countless criticism of Apple's hybris etc... Sounds a LOT like what we read today about LLMs.

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mark_l_watson wrote: post #297
TZubiri wrote: post #201

Another one bites the dust What a blunder, they resisted AI for like 2 years when it was all the buzz, and now when the bubble is about to bust and every user has AI fatigue they decide to finally dip into the fad? Before it was as if avoiding AI was a conscious design decision, and if there was an AI crash, Apple would be the only survivor left. Now it feels like they weren't in on the meme out of incompetence and a…

I agree that many AI businesses will go bust and they deserve it, but the tech is good. I can recommend my own layered approach, using the lowest capability models that get stuff done: 1. I maximally use local models like gemma4:26b-a4b-it-qat for everything that works with this free option. 2. I like paying for inexpensive APIs for mid-tier models like deepseek v4 flash, gcp-5-mini, gemini-2-flash for things that op…

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

troupo wrote: post #397
matthewfcarlson wrote: post #93

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There's a post here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... Take it with a grain of salt but I don't think it's other AI providers that Apple is upset about. The DMA would require users to be able install any openclaw like thing onto their device with access to everything that Siri can access today. There are all sorts of arguments to be made here but I can understand why Apple feels this way…

What good experience? Siri has sucked for over 10 years, completely degrading in the last few, with no way to change it to a more capable assistant. Apple doesn't care about "offering a good experience". Apple cares about vendor lock in. It pisses off even me, a long-time (18 years and counting) Apple user.

You’re hurling a separate set of UX issues onto the subject of the EU’s deferred inclusion

Also is Siri the only thing you’re using in your Apple products that you’re so clueless as to ask “what good experience”? I mean, what kept you in the ecosystem for 18 years and counting?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

Someone wrote: post #402
impulser_ wrote: post #267

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They are using Google Cloud. https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/?linkId=100000... "Now, we are collaborating with Google and NVIDIA to run new Apple Intelligence workloads on Google Cloud, extending our industry-leading PCC privacy commitments to third-party data centers for the first time."

Google Cloud, but, the way I read it, not Google’s AI offerings. They, basically, hire Google servers to run their software on it. They also (claim to) ensure those servers run only software they have approved to run on it. (Part of their software are models derived from Google Gemini, but that’s orthogonal to this)

>(Part of their software are models derived from Google Gemini, but that’s orthogonal to this)

You're right that it is orthogonal to the privacy promises Apple makes to its own users.

The moralistic and righteous undertone in their marketing material is questionable though given that these Apple services might not exist if Google didn't exploit Gemini app user data on Android the way it does.

That's fine with me. Users have a choice here. In fact, it's a big improvement over the search deal with Google where Apple sends its own users directly to Google.

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Post by mcv »

Veyu wrote: post #432

If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

I haven't seen the livestream, but I just heard that they intend to have their AI automatically change your passwords on websites if it considers them insecure, which sounds to me like the worst idea for AI so far, and that bar is high.

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Post by JimDabell »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #429
JimDabell wrote: post #406

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> Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Your conception doesn’t seem to match PCC at all. The whole point of it is that nobody can access the…

And we have to believe that it's not backdoored because they say so? That's incredibly naïve.

No. I provided the link so you could read more about it.

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Post by JimDabell »

Geee wrote: post #425
JimDabell wrote: post #406

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> Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Your conception doesn’t seem to match PCC at all. The whole point of it is that nobody can access the…

There's no guarantee against data exfiltration, because the data leaks happens through tool calls, which are not made from the PCC, but from your own device. E.g. "the user asks if their Bitcoin private key is unique, let's make a web search". Combined with prompt injection attacks, it's quite easy for an attacker to craft a prompt which sends your private data through any supported tool call (web search, database se…

That doesn’t make sense in this context – the point of PCC is so you know somebody isn’t snooping on your information when you send it to the servers. The person I was responding to seemed to think that Apple would be looking at that information.

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Post by halapro »

mcv wrote: post #437
Veyu wrote: post #432

If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

I haven't seen the livestream, but I just heard that they intend to have their AI automatically change your passwords on websites if it considers them insecure, which sounds to me like the worst idea for AI so far, and that bar is high.

You have to manually start the change, it doesn't do it continuously.

For the vast majority of services, even if this action fails and the wrong password is saved (!?) you're still just a "forgot password" click away.

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