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Re: Siri AI

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Post by NetMageSCW »

gumby271 wrote: post #263
e28eta wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re actively asking developers to index all the content in their apps, to provide Personal Context that Siri can use for user requests. And to create/index the actions available in the app. So, where developers comply, all of that content is now accessible to those alternative implementations. It’s not full read/write of the phone, and it’d exclude obvious secrets like passwords, but it is quite far reaching acce…

Could the restriction not be the device owner choosing to use it? If some rando vibe coded an app and the os told me all the things it can access, I'd probably want to trust the developer before installing it. Why do I need to beg Apple's permission to use software better than their first party offering?

Because you made the choice to trust Apple when you bought an iPhone. And while you may make a deep study of who is providing your alternative AI app (is that even possible with openAI or Copilot or Gemini?), the average use will pick something shiny and lose their savings when it transfers their bank balance outside the country.

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Post by brookst »

OrangeDelonge wrote: post #299
onesociety2022 wrote: post #277

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I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

I think if you actually invested time into researching the DMA you will be able to understand why they are making certain decisions.

Oh, me, me! I spent a few years being responsible for a significant bit of DMA review and CYA and responses to regulators.

I’ve read all of it, multiple times, and been grilled by EU regulators (vicariously, via corporate lawyers).

It still boils down to general guidelines that it’s impossible to know if you’re violating before the fact, and they will not even approve/reject proposals in advance. It’s basically “go read the act yourself, and ship what you think is compliant, and you’ll know whether we interpret the words the same way by whether or not we fine you.”

Good times.

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Post by cromka »

seanssel wrote: post #288
mattmaroon wrote: post #245

I switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare. Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.

It’s the keyboard for me. I don’t remember making as many typing mistakes when I was on an Android phone. It’s also infuriating trying to “select all” for copy or move the cursor to beginning with the spacebar motion. I swear it’s like I’m using a phone in a dream sometimes.

For me it's all the above and lack of multiple-item clipboard. It's incredible how much time it saves on a phone...

Re: Siri AI

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Post by hashmap »

AgentOrange1234 wrote: post #311
hashmap wrote: post #294

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if for a second you believe that what apple says the regulators told them is the same thing as what the regulators told them, i have a cow farm under the titanic to sell you

This comment casts aspersions while making zero specific claims of wrongdoing. If you have something specific to say that goes beyond the vibes of "everything and everyone is corrupt and evil," that would at least be worth hearing.

oh, it is worth hearing. said another way: "show me"

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Post by hbn »

coevcan wrote: post #259
dwroberts wrote: post #222

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Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think

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> why older devices can't use private cloud compute thats 100% off device is just apple being anti-consumer.

I don't know if it's "anti-consumer" to NOT roll out free cloud LLM usage to everyone. The idea with only giving it to the devices with on-device AI capabilities is that ideally most of the tasks will cost Apple nothing because it will run on-device, and anything more complicated will start costing them tokens.

If they gave it to devices without on-device models, ALL Siri requests from people with older iPhones will suddenly be burning money.

Not to mention, if we assume responses from the cloud are better than the local model, then the older iPhones get an overall better experience than the newer ones.

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Post by dwaite »

xp84 wrote: post #74
seaal wrote: post #13

>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

I'll believe this when pigs fly. There's a 0% chance it will work. Most websites I've seen have one or all of: * Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password * A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in…

> Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password

Apple has detectors for codes sent via email or SMS, if your email account is one that is configured with the OS mail client.

> A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in some cases even banning characters other than the ones they check for. There's a standard for this where you put a regex on the password field, which a good password manager will always use, but the kind of idiots who think limiting the entropy of passwords to increase security is the correct way to do things almost NEVER implement this.

An AI agent can read the failure message and craft a new password

> A maximum password length, even as short as 16 characters in many cases

Same deal

> CAPTCHA etc.

While there's always the complex solution of scanning the image and trying to detect what is going on or slide the puzzle with enough of a curve to act like the motion of a human limb, there's also Private Access Tokens, supported by both Cloudflare and Google-provided captcha systems now IIRC. The OS uses an anonymous system to assert a single bit that there's proper browser chain-of-custody.

> Any effort spent on this would be better spent elsewhere, including even educating other companies on how passkeys should be used.

There are proposals as well to provide API to do upgrades from passwords to passkeys as well automatically. Nobody said the feature has to always use AI - but it may help the feature be robust enough for people to seek it out and try it.

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Post by cromka »

nozzlegear wrote: post #140
pornel wrote: post #123

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In the EU case, Apple weaponizes people's ignorance about regulation. Apple pretends that the features everyone else has been shipping left and right somehow need extra paperwork and special approvals, because (…checks notes…) pro-privacy EU laws let zero-privacy competitors sail through, but block implementations that offer more privacy!? What's really happening is Apple unilaterally withholding features while makin…

I don't think it's unfair to say that the EU scrutinizes Apple (and a few other megacorps) a great deal more than most other companies. Some zero-privacy competitors might be sailing by right now simply because they aren't already caught up in the EU's red tape. Which isn't to say Apple doesn't also wield that red tape as their own bargaining chip, like you said.

They don't scrutinize brands but specific products. iMessage is exempt from DMA, for example, while WhatsApp and Messenger are not.

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Post by cromka »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #315
pornel wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the EU case, Apple weaponizes people's ignorance about regulation. Apple pretends that the features everyone else has been shipping left and right somehow need extra paperwork and special approvals, because (…checks notes…) pro-privacy EU laws let zero-privacy competitors sail through, but block implementations that offer more privacy!? What's really happening is Apple unilaterally withholding features while makin…

I’m sorry, but the DMA is mandating Cambridge Analytica-type access to data. That whole scandal was people on Facebook granting a third party access to all the data they had access to. And Cambridge Analytica lied about how they were going to use it. Facebook got roasted for this, but now the EU wants the same open data policy from every big tech company.

Oh wow... Cambridge Analitica had access to all the data Facebook had on you without you knowing it and without you knowing the extent of the data Facebook had on you. EU wants you to be able to knowingly install apps on your phone and give them access to the data on your phone you chose to.

These are the same to you?

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Post by sooheon »

charcircuit wrote: post #180
lxgr wrote: post #90

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Most of them are, some are annoyingly missing. It’s possible to install apps from two different app store accounts, but it’s 10 times more annoying than on Android. Additionally, there are some EU only features, such as third-party NFC payments. Apple’s performative DMA outrage is getting more pathetic by the iOS version.

You can easily change your account region back and forth on iOS. Meanwhile Android has a bunch of extra checks and includes a 12 months delay before being able to switch it again.

A family member lost years of irreplaceable photos and paid apps due to account lock, and doing this across two countries they were legitimately residing in triggered it.
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