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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

flumpcakes wrote: post #242
trumpdong wrote: post #212

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In the UK I'd be worried about being arbitrarily arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry. In the US I'd be worried about being murdered. By police. In cold blood.

> In the UK I'd be worried about being arbitrarily arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry. That's not going to happen unless you commit a serious crime, in which case it's not arbitrary. I can't think of a single case that's made the news. Meanwhile across the pond in America you have the nightly news reporting on children and people in cages screaming. People being rounded up for not being white. Little to no…

By "commit a serious crime" I assume you mean "publicly state that I support Palestine Action" or maybe "hold a blank sign at a protest". Those are serious crimes in the UK now. But as I said, the worst they're going to do is kick me out, not kill me, and that makes the difference.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #223
trumpdong wrote: post #211

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You go on a list for acting smart, and they dump it with a cellebrite same as at the border.

they can try, so far GrapheneOS has been the only mobile OS immune to them.

Indeed. So they'll hold it and ask you to come in and unlock it. If you don't, you don't get your phone back.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

t0bia_s wrote: post #374
dmitrygr wrote: post #356

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I have really, really, really bad news for you about any modern SoC, including all those by Qualcomm. Their ROM private keys are widely available to the three letter agencies. Your OS, while cute, provides no protection at all to anyone who has physical access. Secure boot root keys give away the whole kingdom

Please explain how would you acces to encrypted data on turned off GOS device with locked bootloader.

Ask the owner to come in and unlock it if they ever want it back.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by hparadiz »

ben_w wrote: post #361
hparadiz wrote: post #346

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If my salary is 150k and I spend 5k that's 3.3%. If my salary is 60k that same 5k is 8.3%. So when I am talking about "cost" I mean hours of labor. It costs Americans fewer hours of labor to pay for their healthcare. This is true across all socioeconomic classes. The same Medicare + Medicaid you cite is actually our tax payer funded subsidized healthcare for folks that have to use tax payer funded socialized healthca…

> If my salary is 150k and I spend 5k that's 3.3%. > If my salary is 60k that same 5k is 8.3%. So? The US federal taxes are not a constant dollar amount. Someone who earns $60k pays $5,020, someone who earns $150k pays $24,734, from the first tax calculator I found. Same idea in the UK. > So when I am talking about "cost" I mean hours of labor. It costs Americans fewer hours of labor to pay for their healthcare. This…

My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them in a different way as luxury add ons.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

somewhatgoated wrote: post #297
asdfsa32 wrote: post #198

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In Queensland, Australia. Saying from a flow streaming of water to a large salty tidal body of water lands you a criminal record. Just the words. Same in Berlin.

Btw in Germany the courts ruled that From the river to the sea as parole itself is not unlawful. The arrested person got acquitted. Hamas and its symbols are illegal however.

Didn't they also arrest a guy for writing some random Arabic on a flag because Hamas also has a flag written in Arabic?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

rvnx wrote: post #375
alpinisme wrote: post #372

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That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)

If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in. Though I agree with you that analogies have limits. I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry. It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that loc…

The US border is the door to the house of which stranger?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

dmitrygr wrote: post #356
akimbostrawman wrote: post #223

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they can try, so far GrapheneOS has been the only mobile OS immune to them.

I have really, really, really bad news for you about any modern SoC, including all those by Qualcomm. Their ROM private keys are widely available to the three letter agencies. Your OS, while cute, provides no protection at all to anyone who has physical access. Secure boot root keys give away the whole kingdom

The disk is encrypted. They might be able to install a backdoor but they can't get the data.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

Cider9986 wrote: post #232
bborud wrote: post #130

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You are aware of the fact that you essentially have no rights at border crossings, right? Even if you are a US citizen entering the US. This is why many companies have procedures for when employees visit certain countries, including the US. For instance that you are not allowed to bring your personal phone, your personal and work laptop or any medium that can hold sensitive or proprietary information.

They can delay you until they confirm you're a US citizen, but they can't prevent you from reentering.

They can just not make any effort to confirm that.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by sph »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #322
sph wrote: post #180

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Which watchlist was it again for using alternative operating systems?

are you implying watchlists for other reasons are any more reasonable?

Reread my question, it's pretty straightforward with no such implication.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

microtonal wrote: post #337
poirot2 wrote: post #117

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Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

It's all extrapolated from a few articles where someone in Germany or the UK is arrested, but if you go beyond the tabloids it turns out that the person threatened to harm or kill someone online (which is not free speech in most European countries for obvious reasons). I have lived in European countries all my life (except for ~6 months in Australia) and let's say I'm opinionated, I have never feared that the country…

What if you would go to Berlin and say "stop funding the holocaust in Gaza"? Would you expect to be arrested?
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