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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by rvnx »

alpinisme wrote: post #316
rvnx wrote: post #234

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> Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than ga…

If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by alpinisme »

rvnx wrote: post #371
alpinisme wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than ga…

If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?

That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by Hizonner »

rvnx wrote: post #234
IshKebab wrote: post #177

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Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.

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> It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest.

Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view.

Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by t0bia_s »

dmitrygr wrote: post #356
akimbostrawman wrote: post #223

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they can try, so far GrapheneOS has been the only mobile OS immune to them.

I have really, really, really bad news for you about any modern SoC, including all those by Qualcomm. Their ROM private keys are widely available to the three letter agencies. Your OS, while cute, provides no protection at all to anyone who has physical access. Secure boot root keys give away the whole kingdom

Please explain how would you acces to encrypted data on turned off GOS device with locked bootloader.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by rvnx »

alpinisme wrote: post #372
rvnx wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?

That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)

If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in.

Though I agree with you that analogies have limits.

I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry.

It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

trumpdong wrote: post #222
avereveard wrote: post #207

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The right level of recording of non crime is zero wdym reduced?

If they're turning over all information the police have it makes sense this gets turned over... Or do you want the police to not have any record they spoke to you, so they'll come tomorrow and say the same thing again, and again, and again?

who the hell is this cindyllm user that keeps replying to my posts with really dumb stuff?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by hparadiz »

microtonal wrote: post #352
hparadiz wrote: post #244

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You should check out the stats broken down by ethnicity and household wealth. That gives you a clearer picture of what a typical person on HN actually experiences.

The idea of having healthcare, a social safety net, etc. is that everyone is off well. Not the top-5% of the population that you are filtering for. It seems that you only care about how well you and your bubble are off and not others. As the young kids say it - sad.

I live in California. We already have those things. What are you even talking about?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by TalkingCodeMonk »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #196
sunaookami wrote: post #119

Seems like this company got fined recently for breaching GDPR: https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/leeftijdsverificatie-online-... >The Spanish privacy regulator (hereinafter: AEPD) recently imposed a fine of €950,000 on age verification service YOTI >For the unlawful processing of biometric personal data in violation of Article 9 of the GDPR, YOTI was fined €500,000. In addition, a fine of €200,000 was imposed for obtai…

About 3% of their revenue. In context, someone in UK using their phone while driving will be charged about £1000 pound or ~3% of the median income..

The lesson is you gotta incorporate your crimes. If you kill a person you face life in prison. If you are a decision maker at Boeing who lies to regulators and customers, committing fraud that killed hundreds of people [0], you receive a golden parachute instead!

[0] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augme...

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

cassianoleal wrote: post #300
trumpdong wrote: post #218

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The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?

Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

ben_w wrote: post #327
trumpdong wrote: post #214

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Can be, or is? Courts can enforce my toilet paper too.

Trying to imagine how, and the only thing I can think of is that technically you can write a contract on anything? And possibly a cheque, too, because a the cheques in a chequebook are just a standardised IOU form with exactly the same legal weight as if it was done by hand? (Vague memory that someone used this to avoid paying a bill, because refusing a cheque when offered counted as discharging the debt it represent…

Just gotta bribe the right judge. My toilet paper says you owe me $10,000 and the judge agrees.
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