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There are no sidewalks in the UK, even more dystopian!

Did you mean the US or is the joke wooshing on me? Edit: ah, because the word is pavement in British English :).

Sort of. It's also footway when denoting the no-carriages part of a road that also has a carriageway.

There's a whole complex terminology of footway, cycleway, bridleway, bridle path, footpath, cycle path, and carriageway. Even more fun: It's ever so slightly different in Scotland to England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

* https://legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/54/section/151

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what? Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!

you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru...

https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres...

ok

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok

exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK.

Why are you supporting my point?

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Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

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I can retire at like 45 and have three times your net worth

Yet Americans cannot protest, because they are living from paycheck to paycheck. This is not in jest, this is the reason Americans trump up (ahem) when non-US citizens ask why they don't protest ICE and whatever other nonsense is going on.

Did you ever consider that you are in a bubble and most Americans barely have savings and are a healthcare incident away from poverty?

"The median American has $8,000 in transaction accounts (savings, checking, money market). [...] Only 46% of U.S. adults have enough emergency savings to cover three months of expenses"

https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/savings-account-ave...

Seems like not everyone can retire at 45 eh?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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To quote – I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.

California offers basically free healthcare to those with low income.

You keep on moving the goal posts, plus you don't seem to care about the other people in your country.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Yea cause we throw more money at it. Our facilities are far superior. In California where I live though folks with little money get very subsidized healthcare that is cheaper than NHS taxes.

You seem to be saying two opposite things here, that the US is better because you spend more money on it, and yet also that you don't spend more money on it. Both can't be true, but both can be wrong. > Our facilities are far superior. Then why is US life expectancy worse? > In California where I live though folks with little money get very subsidized healthcare that is cheaper than NHS taxes. Unless "very subsidized…

If my salary is 150k and I spend 5k that's 3.3%.

If my salary is 60k that same 5k is 8.3%.

So when I am talking about "cost" I mean hours of labor. It costs Americans fewer hours of labor to pay for their healthcare. This is true across all socioeconomic classes.

The same Medicare + Medicaid you cite is actually our tax payer funded subsidized healthcare for folks that have to use tax payer funded socialized healthcare and are basically at the mercy of what our healthcare system will provide them state by state but generally it is federal law that an ER has to take care of you if it's an immediate life threatening problem. So what you are citing is actually our tax payer funded socialized healthcare which is funded differently state by state and a lot of people won't even use because it's basically the last resort. Most Americans are subsidizing that healthcare.

As a percentage of my paycheck what you cited as Medicare/Medicaid is again very low. State taxes are basically 2-3% and in some cases $0 and/or funded through real estate taxes rather than income tax. This is actually one of the arguments for American universal healthcare. We can bridge the final gap of uninsured with about 1-2% more in taxes. It would still be much less than what most countries pay by a substantial amount while still maintaining 90% of the level of care.

Having a lower cost per person is actually not a good thing. It's bad, actually. It means worse facilities, fewer staff, worse equipment.

Do not cite flat numbers as some sort of gotcha. Obviously we spend more money on our own healthcare. We have more of it with fewer hours of labor.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok

exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK. Why are you supporting my point?

in the US we have free speech for citizens (generally). People in foreign countries are not citizens of the US. they do not receive the benefit of our free speech protections (whatever those may be), since they are not, in fact, citizens of the US.

you replied with an article about the US Vice President decrying what happened. I thought that to be a non-sequitur, so i asked what you were trying to say.

You said you don't arrest people at your border for [speech].

i responded to that non-sequitur with two reports of people being arrested for speech, who cares if it's at the border? that's UK citizens being arrested for "speech", not foreigners! Like, thanks, i guess, for letting us have free speech when you don't?

and here we are.

* note: i don't think we arrest people at the border, just deny entry. i could be mistaken, though.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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> risk of being a victim of violence is higher in the US You really gotta look at how those numbers break down. Who's killing who and where. Be in the right places and you're much safer than anywhere in Europe

Have you considered doing the same in reverse? Because sure, if you look at the right parts of the US, you can find zero homicide rate due to there not being any residents. You can also do this in Europe. It tells you nothing. What may give you a hint about relative safety is that the UK police don't bother with being regularly equipped with firearms, because they don't need to be .

> if you look at the right parts of the US

No, I’m saying almost the opposite.

Crime in the US is highly concentrated. A large share is committed by relatively small groups, in specific places, and follows a power-law pattern rather than being evenly spread across the country.

There are large, fully developed, highly populated parts of the US where you are very safe. Often moreso than places people assume are “safer” because they are outside America.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Not true the part about China, but yes Western countries do like to pretend they have a lot more freedom than they do. If you can't criticize or protest Xi in China, try criticize or protesting the laws in rest of the world. Especially the things they do in the name of privacy, I remember UK jailing folks for FB posts, that's stuff that happens in third world countries. Not that UK ever had much of a leg to stand on,…

> I remember UK jailing folks for FB posts, that's stuff that happens in third world countries. The only cases this has happened has been over people actively calling for racial violence over an imagined scare - bunch of morons thought a muslim migrant killed someone, so they went on to riot, burn mosques, assault foreign looking people, etc; on day 2 it was revealed the perpetrator was a Britain born Christian son o…

I don't know I don't think they were jailed but some guy also got arrested for saying bad stuff about the King

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyenzdz66wo

Sure courts won but the arrest is the issue. Courts general also win in other democratic third world countries but the initial arrest is enough of an intimidation.

Also this is a slippery slope I remember one person you mentioned were bad but there was another which wasn't nearly as bad.

Also folks on the other side can say the same thing when you call them fascists or something.

Sure saying bad stuff is bad, but it's very very fucking slippery slope.

All speech is hate speech of you are not in line with the current govt.

Another example from what you might consider hateful probably who went to jail and was acquitted but after a lengthy process.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgv785n23eo

I am not saying UK is the next China but, it's rather fascinating people in UK to claim they have so much more freedom and privacy.

Basically if China is 100% authoritarian, UK is atleast 70% there. They just need a leader to abuse these systems to come in power.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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I wouldn't call it two-tier justice, because generally the courts do the right thing, but there's a shamefully obvious two-tier policing. From the Jay Report [0] showing crimes swept under the rug according to ethnic/socioeconomic background of perp and victim, to arresting people for opposing genocide (sorry: terrorism!) [1] to the recent case of Henry Nowak [2], it's really hard not to see a two-tier policing in th…

The Palestine Action ban was overturned by the courts. And putting this together with the Nowak case leads to an almost contradictory position. Whatever the issues with police handling of pro-Palestinian protestors, they're not instances of what the far right would call two-tier policing (i.e. the bogus claim that the police treat white people more harshly than other ethnic groups). For example, here is a poster who'…

>The Palestine Action ban was overturned by the courts.

Which is exactly what I said, courts generally do the right thing. The people were still arrested, and the dissent was still crushed, though. Israel is a strategic partner so all protests are equal, but some are more equal than others.

>they're not instances of what the far right would call two-tier policing (i.e. the bogus claim that the police treat white people more harshly than other ethnic groups)

While far-right popularized the term, the awareness is now, at least among the people I know, full-spectrum. The tiers are independent according to the issue at hand and the priorities of the powers and lobbies involved. Simply some camps were unaware until it was their turn, and become confused when they overlap.

>The more nuanced reality is that the police are extremely imperfect and treat all sorts of different groups of people unfairly in all sorts of different ways. That's indeed a problem, but it's not a political conspiracy.

Personally, I think that statement has a pass in many places, but not in the UK. The "policy projection of values" (to give it some name), with the growth of identity politics mixed in to make it worse, attempted to make everyone feel equally protected, but instead succeeded in convincing almost every demographic in the UK that the system is rigged against them.

We are not racist -> certain crimes by given little publicity or ignored depending on the background of who committed them. Two tier.

Israel is a strategic partner -> pro-palestinian/anti-zionist groups labeled as terrorists. Two tier.

Hate has no place here -> police dispatched for nasty online comments, but dragging their feet for actual physical crime. The fact that "Non-Crime Hate Incidents" is an actual term is just baffling. Two tier.

Net Zero -> right wingers complain about blockades of ecologists going unpunished. Two tier. Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 and the Public Order Act 2023 passed, ecologist arrested (and sentenced!) for protesting against not doing enough for Net Zero. Pendulum swing, still two tier.

Directing mind and will -> individuals are fully accountable by their actions, for corporations one need(ed) to prove "directing mind and will" of the executives. Two tier. See the British Post Office Horizon scandal for extra depression, or how individuals are prosecuted for dumping, yet Thames Water can dump inordinate amounts of sewage but that's just "regulatory failure". While recent acts (Crime and Policing, Failure to Prevent Fraud) are in the right direction, criminal penalties for corporations remain financial, and swallowed into operating costs. Still solid two tier.

Russia is a criminal state -> Londongrad unbothered, alive, moisturized, flourishing. Two tier.

Protect the NHS -> partygate for some, fines for others. Two tier. Don't get me into the defunding of it.

Peace above everything -> the state actors that committed crimes (often acts of terrorism) with impunity in Ireland during The Troubles, were later prosecuted, while IRA members were secretly given out-of-jail cards. Just compare John Downey vs Dennis Hutchings. Since the topic has cooled down and the Hutchings' case fueled the fire, they passed the Legacy and Reconciliation Act to, 25 years later (!) finally providing immunity to British criminals. This is particularly damning because those following orders had been prosecuted, but no single commander, general, intelligence officer, minister actually giving or overseeing those orders had been, at any point. Two tier.

The UK is in a permanent state of "fake it till you make it" of the idea of the perfect state, and in doing so it routinely over/undershoots the mark, in an endless Samsara of overcorrections, because it is all still fake. The state sets the target, but it does nothing to get there. Ultimately the consistent application of the law is second to state, corporate and geopolitical interests, meaning the two tiers will be there no matter how correct the laws are.

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