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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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> Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to visit the US at the moment. The USA immigration officers can ask me to forfeit my phone's password and look at all my photos, documents, messages, call logs etc, WITHOUT SUSPICION. Some of that data can even stay on their servers for decades, and who knows if i…

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That’s simply not true.

Europe is not one country so this can vary a lot depending on which country you are visiting.

I’ve never heard of someone being subjected to the kind of extensive electronic searches that are routine in the US.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

You are aware of the fact that you essentially have no rights at border crossings, right? Even if you are a US citizen entering the US. This is why many companies have procedures for when employees visit certain countries, including the US. For instance that you are not allowed to bring your personal phone, your personal and work laptop or any medium that can hold sensitive or proprietary information.

They can delay you until they confirm you're a US citizen, but they can't prevent you from reentering.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

That's all true, and I had a great time in London and many eu countries. Do immigrants have the same full rights as British citizens? Would I be willing to re evaluate my visa every X years? Will I be willing to be uprooted if it's denied? And how will childcare work when my elders are all here? I think your post was correct as far as the state of the US, but your final paragraph is reductive. It's not always easy fo…

An immigrant on a student visa was recently elected (or selected by the Green Party because of proportional representation) to be a member of the Scottish parliament. So it’s finally reached the point in the UK where citizenship confers almost no rights that can’t be obtained by anyone coming to the country, even temporarily.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Just don't visit USA and you will be fine.

Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Can we stop it with this two tier justice system nonsense?

There's a thought experiment in the philosophy of mind where your brain is gradually replaced, neuron by neuron, with artificial units that replicate the exact input and output mappings of the original neurons. The question, of course, is whether this change is accompanied by any change in your subjective conscious experience. I notice that a variant of this experiment is now playing out on HN in real time, with vari…

Very true, but not really related to the thought experiment you mentioned since that one doesn't change the behavior of each neuron.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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It's really not that complicated. If we have fewer non-white police officers, our ability to keep the whole of our (gratefully diverse) population safe is at a disadvantage. We need a police force that accurately represents the full range of diversity in our country. Occasionally members of the police force will f*k up badly. This is a fact. In the case of Henry Nowak, a police officer made an incredibly bad call and…

No-one cares about your opinion (or mine). You have misunderstood my point entirely. Being non-white does not mean they are able to do their job better. That is a racist belief. The police in this case were white. But they were acting on policies which require them to treat non-white members of the public differently. It is nothing to do with diversity. Unless you are a racist, diversity is not an end in itself. No-o…

What was the policy?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Someone in the comments of that post linked to a long FAQ section for GrapheneOS about how apps can identify it and so forth [1]. I don't understand why it doesn't just attempt to spoof that's it's stock Android/Google everywhere it possibly can? [1] https://grapheneos.org/faq#:~:text=Apps%20can%20detect%20tha...

The goal is to normalize the usage of alternative OS. The moment you find workarounds and not question, you accept their position and eventually you'll run out of workarounds. 'you can still do X through Y, they are not removing it' is a popular and often the top reply on posts related to companies tightening their walled gardens. It gives an immediate solution to the problem but it doesn't address the core issue. I…

Maybe the whole age verification push will change that discussion, if suddenly requests for entire categories of services have to be funneled through a small number of age verification providers that intentionally try to block alternative OSes.

The discussion might have been mostly theoretical before, but it sure isn't anymore...

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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What good is a piece of paper? I have nice toilet paper. It doesn't make me safer when visiting the US.

Maybe you're not safer, but you can get rich quick. Recently someone got $100k compensation for fake DUI charges and resulting wrongful imprisonment.

Interesting entry for the "pro" list.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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The bodycam literally shows a police officer responding to a man who's been stabbed with "I don't think you have mate", just because his killer said the man was racist.

I'll make this simple for you. The behaviour of one officer does not mean that we should no longer live in a diverse society. This is one incident. The officer is question made a terrible call. The fact that people like you are using this as ammunition to further frankly racist aims, is an egregious afront to everyone living in the UK.

There were four officers in attendance [1] and race guidance [2] that says, quote:

> Our commitment to racial equity [...] does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).

is currently under review as a result [3].

[1] https://theconversation.com/police-to-review-anti-racism-gui...

[2] https://www.npcc.police.uk/our-work/police-race-action-plan/...

[3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c392gj41pgpo

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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People often critisize the USA - rightfully so, now as the orange king and his cronies rule over it - but the UK is in some ways worse. One of the best things that happened in the last years was BREXIT; that way the craziness from the UK can no longer taint other Europeans. And that's actually a good thing. Age sniffing is done for appeasement to corporate overlords; people should not buy into the propaganda that thi…

EU is planning to develop a carbon copy of ICE.

Fun fact: big European bad guy also carbon copied his strategies from the USA.

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