I've had "mouseless" on every system since getting a keyboard that supports it (in my case the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard). It's changed my compute experience and I can never go back (so I hope they don't go out of business)
Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
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Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#72I prefer ShortCat's model:
Similar to Vimium, but for the whole OS. Apparently Homerow is similar, judging from comments I'm seeing here.
I really wish I knew an equivalent for Linux. I might even leave Gnome behind if a different DE has a good model for this.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#73Opensource alternatives: - https://github.com/moverest/wl-kbptr - https://github.com/petoncle/mousemaster - https://github.com/y3owk1n/neru - https://github.com/mjrusso/scoot - https://github.com/jbensmann/mouseless - https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd (not really maintained anymore)
Shortcat is the one I found I was willing to adopt without much effort: https://shortcat.app
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#74I prefer ShortCat's model: https://shortcat.app/ Similar to Vimium, but for the whole OS. Apparently Homerow is similar, judging from comments I'm seeing here. I really wish I knew an equivalent for Linux. I might even leave Gnome behind if a different DE has a good model for this.
ShortCat has a beautiful slogan:
"Manipulate macOS masterfully, minus the mouse."
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#75Has anyone real-life experience with these tools?
Committed Mouseless user, here. I use a split keyboard that has a mouse layer, but I almost never use it, let alone an actual mouse or trackpad. Mouseless is so much more efficient for me. It did take a day or two to get used to using it (and to get used to comments from people who see your screen when it's active).
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#76I prefer ShortCat's model: https://shortcat.app/ Similar to Vimium, but for the whole OS. Apparently Homerow is similar, judging from comments I'm seeing here. I really wish I knew an equivalent for Linux. I might even leave Gnome behind if a different DE has a good model for this.
I used to use (and love) ShortCat, but it got too slow on my ancient MacBook Pro. I switched to Mouseless, and I actually prefer it now.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#77Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#78Wow, as cool as this is, it's kind of a shame that we need to say "use coords to show where the mouse should click" instead of designing interfaces that keep pointing-device-free users in mind.
A tiled window manager with Qutebrowser and it's vimium style shortcuts is the closest I have come to this.
I just hit tab 1 to N times and hope for the best. I wonder if VIM style search on elements with a new HTML tag attribute would work (at least for browsers).
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#79If you wanted to go in the other direction, you could achieve more productivity with faster mouse skills. The competitive FPS genre has spawned a bunch of aim training tools[0] to improve muscle memory. [0] https://www.3daimtrainer.com/
RIP my hand by RSI
A few months ago I switched to a vertical mouse and can’t recommend it enough.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#80Wow, as cool as this is, it's kind of a shame that we need to say "use coords to show where the mouse should click" instead of designing interfaces that keep pointing-device-free users in mind.
I think it's ok that hardware and software are designed with the 99% in mind. After that you probably run into competing interests/trade-offs anyway (a system built for ergonomics probably looks different from a system built for speed).