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Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Wow, as cool as this is, it's kind of a shame that we need to say "use coords to show where the mouse should click" instead of designing interfaces that keep pointing-device-free users in mind.

I'm curious if there's a program that uses a simple detection model for UX components to locate clickable areas. This would allow for global navigation similar to VimiumC

https://www.homerow.com/

Been using this for years.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Most things in Linux too - all DEs I have tried have lots of keyboard shortcuts and so do a lot of applications. The problem is that they are less discoverable and you need to make and effort to get used to using them instead of point and click.

They used to be discoverable with mnemonics (underlined letters) but those have been dead nearly thirty years…

these still exist on windows though? you just hold alt

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Nah, this is a very good point; I've seen things similar to this in the past and it's a cool idea -- but "subscription modeling" every little tool is not a good path to keep going down. Free and open source is important and it's perfectly fine to be critical here.

Demanding everything be free and open source is important if you don't want independent developers to be able to make a living, and instead wish to create a world where the vast majority of software is controlled by big tech, who are the benefactors of "free" software. The less you're willing to pay people making good software, the more territory predatory ad/tracking-fueled "free" software gets. The more territory y…

I made a very good living developing open source software for more than a decade. Nothing about open source software precludes one from making money, it's just a different business model from closed source.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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They used to be discoverable with mnemonics (underlined letters) but those have been dead nearly thirty years…

these still exist on windows though? you just hold alt

GTK (and QT I do believe) also support this on GNU/Linux.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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With Windows in particular, you absolutely can navigate Windows + Office keyboard only. I do it every day. Now, third party software, is always going to be all over the place. Stuff that was largely built on Win32 components works fine, but "modern" stylized applications rarely have strong support.

You’re right that lots of Windows apps were designed with Keyboard only workflows in mind. It’s a shame that MacOS has so many points where if you don’t have a mouse you’re out of luck. There is one major improvement you can do on Mac, at least for menus: https://varun.ch/posts/macos-keyboard/

Obviously depends on your workflow but I think I use mouse only on websites on macos (with aerospace)

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Vimium for the browser solves most of the mouse needs. I dont see it helping with drawings. Did anyone notice the use of the mouse at the end?

Indeed or https://tridactyl.xyz

VimFX + LegacyFox is still the best; it even works on about: pages.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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They used to be discoverable with mnemonics (underlined letters) but those have been dead nearly thirty years…

these still exist on windows though? you just hold alt

Only works for like 20% of the menus though. I remember alt shortcuts reliably being on every single menu in early Windows (95? ME? XP?)
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