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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by j_w »

I hate company acquisitions.

Not for the aquire-ee(?), I'm not going to be a hypocrite and claim I wouldn't take the payout if I were in that position. But that companies can build massive moats by just buying up as many other companies as possible.

I don't even feel like I can make a "good" argument for it either. Massive companies becoming more massive through acquisitions just feels wrong, like the end game won't work out well for the commons.

I assume the point here is that now Cloudflare can try and push more Vite users into their ecosystem? Nudge the development to integrate better with their products? They say they are moving towards Vite, not Vite moving towards Cloudflare, but ultimately moves in the direction decides - even if it's "developed openly."

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Post by gonzalohm »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #130
gonzalohm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

Fundamental flaws/oversights in the internet's design led to centralization, notably zero protections against malicious actors, bots, and botnets. Cloudflare and co offer some of the only real solutions to that. If you snap your fingers and Cloudflare disappears, you aren't left with a decentralized wonderland but rather the status quo where $5 of booter time can take most websites offline for the lulz, and all of yo…

And then when Cloudfare decides to start exploiting all the data they have and all the services they provide for their own benefit then what

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ZiiS »

avdwrks wrote: post #92
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

This one is particularly interesting given that Vercel products (Nuxt) now rely on a competitor's tooling (Vite).

Both are more reliant on V8 derivatives hence Google which they very much compete with.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by tonyoconnell »

gonzalohm wrote: post #91
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #34

Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

the dx is wonderful if you give claude code your global api key. and the price is amazing. you can deploy complex web apps for free. i love vite and astro which is built on vite. i ran both on cloudflare before they were bought by them. i'm happy. at least they weren't bough by adobe.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by benoau »

stackskipton wrote: post #136
yuppiepuppie wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've raised over $16 million [0]. For a decent 3-5x return for that, they would need to have been acquired for around ~$50 million. For a team of 19 [1], thats around $2.5 million per employee for Cloudflare. Worth it? no idea [0] https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-series-a [1] https://voidzero.dev/about

I could see Cloudflare wanting them for 50 Million. Cloudflare recent acquisitions have clearly been "buy tools with heavy lock in" and companies shipping on Void are likely heavily locked in.

Isn't their revenue just sponsorships and donations? This seems like a company destined to scrape by despite their popularity, like Tailwind. You don't get $50 million for that.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by shimman »

joeyhage wrote: post #140

Everything Cloudflare is announcing could have been done without acquiring VoidZero. The part they aren’t saying is the greater influence they will have on the roadmap and protecting themselves from someone else acquiring vite and making it closed source and/or monetizing it. We’ve seen it so many times - a project promises to stay free and open source, but things change. Are there any licenses or contracts that a pr…

This is why we need to start advocating more public investment into open source technology. Imagine how much better the state of our industry would be if we gave 100,000 open source developers a $100,000 grant. This modest $10,000,000,000 fund would be extremely tiny compared to the bloated private research we see annually at corporations.

Such a wasted amount of capital doing fuck all when there can be real value and economic gain if we supported open source without the influence of VC + big tech that seem to want a return to feudalism, exacerbate the climate crisis, and hoard as much wealth as possible.

A better world is possible.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by tonyoconnell »

ZiiS wrote: post #124
nkg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue vs React Vite vs Next

I think Nuxt would be the comparison to Next. I.e. a Framework and a build tool (this bit is Vite)

you can actually do everything most people do in next with vite/astro. i was worried to do it but i haven't ran into any problems i couldn't solve.
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