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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#111
Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work!

I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#113

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.

They've raised over $16 million [0]. For a decent 3-5x return for that, they would need to have been acquired for around ~$50 million. For a team of 19 [1], thats around $2.5 million per employee for Cloudflare. Worth it? no idea

[0] https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-series-a [1] https://voidzero.dev/about

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#114

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

In many cases the acquiring company shares investors or board members with the acqui-hired entity.

To put it neutrally, VC partners are treating these are parts of their same portfolios, so if one team doesn't pan out on its own, it can be merged into another with somewhat similar overall goals or markets.

To put it more pointedly, it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#115

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

I've loved Vite from the moment it was public. I also tried Snowpack back in the day. (fun story that Fred "fks" went on to create Astro after Snowpack didn't gain traction). The fact that we can "just forget it exists" is a major win in my case. Webpack - while maybe a win over Grunt/Gulp, was MASSIVELY complex.

I too am a bit uneasy. It's not always the case but, corporate ingestion is often where cool projects go to die. The good news about open source is that we have enough Terraform->OpenTofu & Redis->Valkey stories out there.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#117
post #69

It's always scary to see an open source organization being acquired

That is what happens when no one wants to pay for their tools. Real life isn't 60's hippies community farms. There are bills to pay in capitalist societies.

There you go. I said this as well and no-one here can explain how these open source dev tools companies are making any money with their open source products.

Now they are surprised to see that acquisitions like this are happening and "open source" has given this entitlement on developers to believe that it is "free" when someone always ends up paying.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#118
post #79
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but people don't want to pay for software so all open source is basically subsidized.

+200 people/orgs are listed as vite github sponsors

200 people out of how many hundreds of thousands of users? Are they giving an average $5 a month, for a grand total of $12000 a year? Maybe a little bit more?

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#119

Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

>Do you like the centralization of the internet?

Absolutely, makes blocking stuff so much easier!

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As if they chose to do that. Yes, they agreed to it, That is the definition of making a choice. This is some incredible mental backflipping to suggest that their choice wasn’t their choice.

Just to steelman the GP; some people in the company made a choice while the rest had no say. I personally think the owners should get to decide, but it's an interesting duality. (assuming it's not like everyone has a share or something, in which case they would've all had to agree I guess)

If you join an company with next to no monetizable business model like this, you already have made your choice that you are fine with acquisition when you joined, or have deferred your choice to make a stay/leave decision until the acquisition.
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