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VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by freedomben »

zarzavat wrote: post #123
havaloc wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how I can slap up a free Turnstile on my projects in two minutes and not have to worry about endless comment spam and user registration spam. Yes, I understand there's problems with Cloudflare, but there's also a lot of problems out there in the wild west of an open internet.

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You might at least try to engage in good faith, or fake it enough to pass benefit of the doubt. I don't like the impact Cloudflare has had on the open internet, but GP was presenting their view, and you clearly misrepresented it.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by thethimble »

drewda wrote: post #114
yuppiepuppie wrote: post #83

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

In many cases the acquiring company shares investors or board members with the acqui-hired entity. To put it neutrally, VC partners are treating these are parts of their same portfolios, so if one team doesn't pan out on its own, it can be merged into another with somewhat similar overall goals or markets. To put it more pointedly, it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a stor…

> it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits.

No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem.

Acquihiring the tool/team is entirely downstream from creating a foundational product.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by seanclayton »

thethimble wrote: post #132
drewda wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many cases the acquiring company shares investors or board members with the acqui-hired entity. To put it neutrally, VC partners are treating these are parts of their same portfolios, so if one team doesn't pan out on its own, it can be merged into another with somewhat similar overall goals or markets. To put it more pointedly, it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a stor…

> it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits. No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem. Acquihiring the tool/team is entirely downstream from creating a foundational product.

Vite isn't a product. It's a tool. It will be succeeded if necessary. It happened to Webpack after Microsoft hired the creator, and the JS community pivoted hard. Bundlers and compilers in the JS world happen once a decade it appears.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by freedomben »

nja wrote: post #109

Unpleasantly close to when Cloudflare bought BastionZero... the promises quickly fell away, the tool decayed (I found three serious bugs in one single week...and they had stopped even bothering to publish changelogs), and Cloudflare eventually gave us a "hey, we're actually shutting this down in a month, good luck" email prompting a scramble to rewire all of our infrastructure. (Fwiw SDM ended up being a better alter…

Thanks for the example. I'm skeptical of the claims that "nothing will change" but want to believe them, and examples are the only real data to go on (feels/vibes aren't data), so thank you.

Original blog post of the acquisition of BastionZero: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-acquires-bastionzero/

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by valgaze »

"Vue.js: JavaScript MVVM made simple (vuejs.org)" February 3, 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288

Evidently Evan You was an Art History + Studio Art and major and at Parsons School he had to pick up javascript to quickly show his work. During a stint at Creativelab5 at Google, he was so inspired to improve on AngularJS experience that he came up with Vue and the rest is history.

I have no idea what this Cloudflare acquisition will ultimately mean but I know I am so very grateful for the beautiful frameworks/tooling Evan and his team have cranked out over the years.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by stackskipton »

yuppiepuppie wrote: post #113
stackskipton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.

They've raised over $16 million [0]. For a decent 3-5x return for that, they would need to have been acquired for around ~$50 million. For a team of 19 [1], thats around $2.5 million per employee for Cloudflare. Worth it? no idea [0] https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-series-a [1] https://voidzero.dev/about

I could see Cloudflare wanting them for 50 Million. Cloudflare recent acquisitions have clearly been "buy tools with heavy lock in" and companies shipping on Void are likely heavily locked in.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by burcs »

olingern wrote: post #98

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Ver…

sorry to hear that's been your experience. i actually joined through an acquisition about a year ago and one of the main things we've been focused on is the dashboard and overall dx.

sadly "hostile ux" is a phrase i've heard more than once and we're working hard to improve. if you're open to it, would love to hear more about the issues you've be running into

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by pjmlp »

jshier wrote: post #81
pjmlp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angular. Flutter hardly matters.

You say that, but Cloudflare just rewrote their WARP / Cloudflare One clients in Flutter. It really sucks, but they are using it.

I don't even know what that is.

Flutter is the only reason Dart still exists, and in what concerns the Android team, writing cross mobile application, is to be done with Kotlin.

Which contrary to Dart, has a few use cases, besides Android.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by pjmlp »

owebmaster wrote: post #85
pjmlp wrote: post #65

So now each major SPA framework belongs to a cloud provider, Vercel, Cloudflare and Google.

Ironically, Lit that was created by Google isn't maintained by it anymore. The project is, unfortunately, almost dead tho

Most of matters has landed on Web Components anyway, and that is fully supported on Angular, contrary to React.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by joeyhage »

Everything Cloudflare is announcing could have been done without acquiring VoidZero. The part they aren’t saying is the greater influence they will have on the roadmap and protecting themselves from someone else acquiring vite and making it closed source and/or monetizing it. We’ve seen it so many times - a project promises to stay free and open source, but things change. Are there any licenses or contracts that a project could use and would hold up in court that they need to stay FOSS forever?
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