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The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

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Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#131

Neat but the real world still, and for decades to come - lives on h264 https://www.wink.co/documentation/Why-H264-Is-Almost-Always-...

Did you read what you shared?

It’s talking about security cameras, low-bitrate video.

FTA: "Myth Busted: At security camera bitrates (400-800 Kbps), H.265 provides negligible compression benefits. The marketing claims of "50% savings" apply only to high-bitrate content like 4K movies at 25+ Mbps, not security cameras."

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#132

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Use cases for hardware encoders in PCs: - Video calls - Screen/webcam recording - Live streaming - Real-time transcoding for media servers (don’t know much about this but I’ve heard it’s a thing) - Game streaming - Video editing (making exporting less frustrating)

Everything here is really niche, except video calls (and even that...). In other words, unless on smart phones, don't expect broadly distributed AV2 encoding hardware. If it does happen on PC, it will be most likely some courtesy of the hardware chip designers.

Screen recording is not niche, anyone who works remotely probably does video calls daily and the others are somewhat more niche but I'd guess that at least 50-70% of people do at least one of these things

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

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post #93

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And what about old devices? I'm sure someone out there is still using an s5 as a daily driver... Future proofing is great and all, but 240p on modern devices looks like trash, even worse than tube tv.

They can keep using whatever they're currently using. This doesn't take away anything. It's a new standard. Based on your argument, one should add new safety standards to cars like seat belts, because old cars might not have them.

one shouldn't*

One shouldn't add new safety standards*

writing before coffee...

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#134
post #93

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They can keep using whatever they're currently using. This doesn't take away anything. It's a new standard. Based on your argument, one should add new safety standards to cars like seat belts, because old cars might not have them.

To be fair, some municipalities do actually require old cars to be fitted with seatbelts... air bags, not so much, because apparently changing a steering column is too hard?

Well, I just noticed I said 'should' and not 'shouldn't' which I wanted to say

But to your point,

While they might not be required to retrofit, one shouldn't stop defining new safety standards.

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#135

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He would like a word, but browsers said no?

Firefox is getting the flag to turn it on in the next release, chromium just added it back now there is a rust decoder. The wheels are turning again. Browser support for jpeg xl is very much in progress again.

And it is already present in Safari (and more generally in iOS and macOS, as part of the standard OS graphics library):

* https://developer.apple.com/documentation/avfoundation/avvid...

* https://petapixel.com/2024/09/18/why-apple-uses-jpeg-xl-in-t...

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

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What I'm interested in is seeing how this will improve the AVIF image format. AVIF stomps the competition for low-bitrate still images (where chroma subsampling is used). For lossless images, not so much. Lossless JPEG XL and lossless WEBP make lossless AVIF look like a joke.

Honestly AVIF2 is the last thing we need now. There are way too many minority image formats already.

It's a silly idea to not improve on things for something as "too many" formats. There's too many ARM processors out there, should companies stop development and keep using old, less efficient CPUs?

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use cases for hardware encoders in PCs: - Video calls - Screen/webcam recording - Live streaming - Real-time transcoding for media servers (don’t know much about this but I’ve heard it’s a thing) - Game streaming - Video editing (making exporting less frustrating)

Everything here is really niche, except video calls (and even that...). In other words, unless on smart phones, don't expect broadly distributed AV2 encoding hardware. If it does happen on PC, it will be most likely some courtesy of the hardware chip designers.

Video calls are niche, and offline encoding of video isn't?

Are you sure this isn't just “things I do are commonplace, and things I don't are incredibly niche”?

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#138
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Based on AV1's trajectory, hardware encode isn't necessary (though it is nice). The current encoder is a reference encoder. Now that the spec is finalized, expect significant speed improvements from production encoders (realtime likely won't happen until we get it in hardware though)

Anything running on a battery will need hardware acceleration

Even without encoding, as long as decoding is supported for AV2, streaming sites like Youtube can always transcode uploads. The encoder on mobile hardware is more of a nice bonus as long as we have an AV1 encoder available in the meantime.

Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

#139
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Unfortunately for you, newer codecs use more CPU than older ones so AV2 would probably be even worse.

Newer codecs has generally introduced more ways a video can be encoded, so that the encoder need to work much harder to encode a video, so that it actually achieve the gains that the newer codec allows much more processing will be required. Decoding on the other hand, will mostly stay the same or increase only slightly. It's not likely do decrease though, so if you struggle playing av1 today, you will also struggle w…

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Re: The AV2 Video Standard Has Released (Final v1.0 Specification)

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Honestly AVIF2 is the last thing we need now. There are way too many minority image formats already.

It's a silly idea to not improve on things for something as "too many" formats. There's too many ARM processors out there, should companies stop development and keep using old, less efficient CPUs?

The market can handle one new format around every ten years. JPEG XL just came out so everybody should bide their time for a while instead of trying to immediately churn to a slightly better format.
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