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It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by GrumpyYoungMan »

jstanley wrote: post #210
LarsDu88 wrote: post #70

What Framework is trying to do feels like something that would've made more sense 10 years ago. And the reason for that is b/c of Moore's Law approaching its end. The way to manufacture more efficient compute now is do things like put DRAM closer to the chip and even closer integration between CPU and GPU. The fact that Apple can co-design their silicon such that the CPU and GPU can pull from the same pooled RAM is a…

> Moore's Law approaching its end. People have been calling the top on Moore's Law for at least as long as I've been buying computers. (~20 years). I'll believe it when I see it.

We're already seeing it if most are incapable of recognizing it. The chip folks aren't doing ridiculously complicated things like https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductor-technology-roadmap in $30 billion+ fabs for the fun of it.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by l72 »

ddxv wrote: post #65

I wish Framework had released a gamepad or a printer instead of a keyboard. I get that they need to expand their ecosystem and revenue stream, but keyboard just wasn't it for me. There are so many good reliable cheap keyboards already, though I guess none with the touchpad, but again just not for me. The gamepad I think would have been the killer device. Look at how much attention the steam gamepad gets. Sure, I have…

I know nothing about this, but they do seem to have a gamepad: https://frame.work/products/8bitdo-ultimate-2c-wireless-cont...

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by Shank »

GeekyBear wrote: post #202
hparadiz wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really need USB-C displays or Thunderbolt for my use case. The touch ID is easily replaced with a Yubikey. Everything else just works. What is the problem?

USB display support was demoed at a conference at the end of last year.

We’re already almost halfway through this year. A demo half a year ago isn’t shipped. This is like when Apple demos something at WWDC that doesn’t ship until 9 months later in spring the following year.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by amrit3128 »

ghostpepper wrote: post #152
jbm wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Should they have supported PPC emulation forever Yes.

Supporting everything forever is how you end up with Windows

You think the worst thing about windows is one ofnthe best things about windows?

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by cromka »

baq wrote: post #144
mixmastamyk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a buggy program. Zswap has been available for quite a while.

I'm yet to see a linux distro with memory configured correctly out of the box. (I haven't looked too hard, but the defaults are abysmal.)

Still can't help the fact memory management on macOS is vastly better with its use of pages compression and unlimited swap.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by ZiiS »

If a “repairable” laptop is in any way comparable to a high-volume model from the most successful laptop maker in history; one that is currently upending the whole industry and backed by an extra-generous education discount funded by huge cash reserves and a long-term strategy; then Framework has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by jerlam »

l72 wrote: post #222
ddxv wrote: post #65

I wish Framework had released a gamepad or a printer instead of a keyboard. I get that they need to expand their ecosystem and revenue stream, but keyboard just wasn't it for me. There are so many good reliable cheap keyboards already, though I guess none with the touchpad, but again just not for me. The gamepad I think would have been the killer device. Look at how much attention the steam gamepad gets. Sure, I have…

I know nothing about this, but they do seem to have a gamepad: https://frame.work/products/8bitdo-ultimate-2c-wireless-cont...

That's not made by Framework, they're just reselling it.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by 46493168 »

sgarman wrote: post #141
46493168 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is the most popular OS for laptops in the US precisely because it does what people want for a price they want to pay.

Is this totally true? There is advertising, marketing spend and retail shelf space. Surely it's more complex than "solves users problem at price point."

Advertising and marketing spend exist to make people aware of the device's capabilities and its price. I would be surprised to find that any consumer chooses a device because of its marketing spend and retail shelf space.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by GeekyBear »

Shank wrote: post #223
GeekyBear wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB display support was demoed at a conference at the end of last year.

We’re already almost halfway through this year. A demo half a year ago isn’t shipped. This is like when Apple demos something at WWDC that doesn’t ship until 9 months later in spring the following year.

A patch set landed shortly there after.

https://asahilinux.org/2026/02/progress-report-6-19/

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by starkparker »

l72 wrote: post #222
ddxv wrote: post #65

I wish Framework had released a gamepad or a printer instead of a keyboard. I get that they need to expand their ecosystem and revenue stream, but keyboard just wasn't it for me. There are so many good reliable cheap keyboards already, though I guess none with the touchpad, but again just not for me. The gamepad I think would have been the killer device. Look at how much attention the steam gamepad gets. Sure, I have…

I know nothing about this, but they do seem to have a gamepad: https://frame.work/products/8bitdo-ultimate-2c-wireless-cont...

it's an 8BitDo product in the Framework store that wasn't designed or manufactured by Framework
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