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It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by benoau »

Aurornis wrote: post #18

I love that Framework exists and I hope they succeed. I have been recommending them to friends and family who are looking for Windows or Linux laptops, though with some reservations due to the problems with a couple of their models. However I don't see the value in the Framework 12 over a MacBook Neo if someone isn't choosing by OS first. The $499 MacBook Neo is just so good for the price and so well built. The $499…

It's $599, and they validate students for discounts now so for the vast majority of people $599 is the price.

https://www.theverge.com/tech/926675/apple-education-discoun...

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by GeekyBear »

hparadiz wrote: post #164
wat10000 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everything, and that's already three generations behind.

I don't really need USB-C displays or Thunderbolt for my use case. The touch ID is easily replaced with a Yubikey. Everything else just works. What is the problem?

USB display support was demoed at a conference at the end of last year.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by antisthenes »

It's insane we've somehow come back to 8GB RAM laptops in 2026.

I have an old circa ~2012 era Dell Latitude Laptop with 16GB in it. While it may not be powerful enough to play modern games or anything and may not run Win 11 (although why would you?), it's certainly served me well for at least a full decade.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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bhouston wrote: post #191
866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #147

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M-series MacBooks stink, literally. [1] My newest MacBook reeks of strong adhesive from the vents. Googling revealed hundreds of similar complaints, it's allegedly a solvent they use, perhaps flux. I thought it was the battery. Many claim "they all smell like that". Some (insane) people like the smell, I assume they sniffed glue as kids. Unfortunately it's the last one I buy. I won't tolerate a smelly laptop. [1] htt…

> M-series MacBooks stink I've been around a lot of modern MacBooks both in my company and I've also owned a bunch, none of them stunk. I think this is a rare issue. At least it is lower than 1/20, if not much much lower.

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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

ghostpepper wrote: post #152
jbm wrote: post #150

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> Should they have supported PPC emulation forever Yes.

Supporting everything forever is how you end up with Windows

Not really, Apple was doing something right at that point they got almost everything from classic to OSX, ppc to Intel, from 32bit to 64bit, x86 to ARM.

I used it through all of that and really at no point was it feeling forced and the only one with real friction was classic mode the rest felt seamless.

They must have just been doing something right with dev relations and community.

Although I will say now a lot of people don’t seem to care with keeping up with far less extreme random iOS hurdles.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by registeredcorn »

deng wrote: post #82

Well, if Apple killed it, Lenovo killed it even more. I recently was looking for a laptop for a student. The Lenovo E14 Gen7 is 800 Euros here in Germany (where prices are always higher, the MacBook Neo is 700 Euros), it has 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD, a 2.8k IPS display, a Intel Ultra5 12core CPU, and it has a repairability score of 9/10 from ifixit. Framework doesn't even come close to that package.

> and it has a repairability score of 9/10 from ifixit

Do you mean a 6/10? The only score I saw for the neo on iFixIt is here: https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

I checked the "Laptop repairability scores" page and the Neo doesn't appear to be listed. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/laptop-repairability-sc...

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by winstonp »

bhouston wrote: post #191
866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M-series MacBooks stink, literally. [1] My newest MacBook reeks of strong adhesive from the vents. Googling revealed hundreds of similar complaints, it's allegedly a solvent they use, perhaps flux. I thought it was the battery. Many claim "they all smell like that". Some (insane) people like the smell, I assume they sniffed glue as kids. Unfortunately it's the last one I buy. I won't tolerate a smelly laptop. [1] htt…

> M-series MacBooks stink I've been around a lot of modern MacBooks both in my company and I've also owned a bunch, none of them stunk. I think this is a rare issue. At least it is lower than 1/20, if not much much lower.

I've never had a smelly Mac, and I've owned maybe 10 different ones across personal and various work laptops. And 90% of devs I've ever met have used Macs and none of them smell either, so it's zero out of maybe 200+ in my personal experience.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by jstanley »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #70

What Framework is trying to do feels like something that would've made more sense 10 years ago. And the reason for that is b/c of Moore's Law approaching its end. The way to manufacture more efficient compute now is do things like put DRAM closer to the chip and even closer integration between CPU and GPU. The fact that Apple can co-design their silicon such that the CPU and GPU can pull from the same pooled RAM is a…

> Moore's Law approaching its end.

People have been calling the top on Moore's Law for at least as long as I've been buying computers. (~20 years). I'll believe it when I see it.

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