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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by soperj »

californical wrote: post #57
mothballed wrote: post #15

One thing I learned when I was homeless and 'stealth' camping is that if a place isn't accessible by car, and you haven't parked a car somewhere that would indicate to someone that a person had left a car and went somewhere, you are basically completely off the map and ~no one will discover you exist. Came in quite handy when finding locations to sleep without being bothered.

What would this mean? Like would you be driving to a library and leaving a car there, then hiking into the woods nearby to camp? As someone who may occasionally need to stealth camp on road trips I’m curious what you learned, or if it would even be useful

He was homeless. I don't think he had to worry about where he was parking his car.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by mulderc »

Zambyte wrote: post #208
mulderc wrote: post #43

Given how insane people are driving today, I sort of want a car to snitch on bad drivers.

We need viable, safe, comfortable alternatives to driving everywhere.

I live in the pacific NW and feel that we do largely have those but people don't know about them or don't want to use them. For example, the easiest way for me to get to Portland/Seattle/Vancouver is by far the train. In none of those cities would I recommend driving as public transit is better in almost all cases. I live in a medium sized city and even here we only drive about once a week. So it is totally possible but it takes some additional planning and tradeoffs that many people don't want to do.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by Henchman21 »

noir_lord wrote: post #189
Frieren wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

It's also akin to Roko's basilisk's - the people who don't realise how pervasive and invasive it has become seem the happiest while the ones like us who've often been around computers since the 80's and just watched our society sleep walk into it feel the worst. That many of us then end up working for the companies doing it makes for a bad feeling across the industry.

You’re sort of describing the central problem of my existence: the skills I have to offer in the marketplace of work are only skills utilized by people whose goals I abhor.

I got into this because I loved solving problems. Now my problem is that the problems at hand are mostly dehumanizing and further the goals of people intent on dehumanizing everyone but them.

I leaned my ladder against the wrong wall and started climbing. It took a lifetime to realize it was the wrong wall.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by Henchman21 »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #245
bluGill wrote: post #204

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Most of the governments you are talking about are voted on by the people. And when the people care, the governments change. When the people don't care, yes, the government does want lots of data. However, people do often care about such things and that limits the government.

Voted on by the people, and yet in 2026 we have no way to actually confirm our votes are counted or factored into who gets elected. Every single US president is related, sans Van Buren, but there's no way our elections are rigged! Not sure how many corrupt politicians have to take office before people will start questioning the legitimacy of elections.

I suspect the next one will do it.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bflesch »

coliveira wrote: post #269
bflesch wrote: post #251

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Performing privileged work for the government in some shape or form which allows you to skirt the legal rules and makes you immune to certain issues (e.g. travel with diplomatic passport or invent fake identities to hide your real family tree). In force-colonized countries such as South Africa, the local colonial overlords openly looted the country, first in the name of the monarch and later for their own wealthy cla…

The connections between Trump and intelligence have really been hidden by the media, but they're quite obvious. He was running a "model agency" just like Epstein, so he was in the same business. His luxury real estate business for rich foreigners from East Europe follows the same pattern, and there he employed Felix Sater who came out publicly as a CIA operative during the "Russiagate" investigations. His businesses…

There's documents that show Trump's father searching for a boat captain who can ship goods from Florida to New York.

I have a feeling that black folks living in the Trump-owned low-income areas were the final destination for the weapons-for-drugs trades which also included names such as Epstein and Kashoggi. Germany gets linked into this through Terramar which was used to get machinery and chemical precursor materials to a country of their choice. Famously these deals were paid in cash at the New Jersey offices of German companies - if at all.

I think the casinos were used for drug money laundering, until he got a knock on the door and stopped doing that.

Even before Trump the Epsteins were in the pageants/model industry involved with the "Miss Universe" aimed at foreign aristocrats. Coincidentally another now-famous family name in those credits is "Sweeney".

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bluGill »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #233
bluGill wrote: post #229

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Are you sure? Motorcycles already have computers, it isn't a stretch to think they could broadcast data about you. Maybe they are a decade behind cars in doing this, but I doubt it is anything else. Bicycles don't have enough power to spare to broadcast data. (but my ebike could and I wouldn't notice the difference)

Yes. Point out the modem. https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda-motorcycle/500-MOTO/R...

You are confusing what currently is for what will be. Even if there is no modem today, what makes you think they won't do one in the future?

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bluGill »

cwmoore wrote: post #221
bluGill wrote: post #212

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The vast majority of Americans are not working 100 hours a week just trying to get enough for the basics (goodwill clothing, food, and a shelter...). They might be living paycheck to paycheck, but it is with 40-60 hour per week job, and the are living paycheck to paycheck because they spend money when they make it (this is a sensible thing to do with most of your money - though having some emergency and retirement sa…

Not sure how your comment relates to the one it is replying to except to appear to reject its argument in favor of another train of thought. Politics is playdoh. Tax the bots for UBI.

There are many Americans who care about politics. They vote despite not needing to. They often discuss it.

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Post by DanielHB »

bluGill wrote: post #226
DanielHB wrote: post #194

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The hardest part is managing providers across multiple countries, if you want, for example, connectivity in Kazakhstan you either use a super expensive provider that supports a lot of countries, or you have to set up and manage separate contracts with providers in Kazakhstan. However if you care only about a one or two markets and cars are often already built inside that market...

Cars in in such large numbers that it isn't a big deal to get a bulk deal with each provider seperatly. Though maybe Kazakhstan isn't worth covering at all, I'm not sure what their economy is like.

It was quite complicated for our company since our fleet was in the <50k in size. I worked with specialized trucks.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

bluGill wrote: post #276
1970-01-01 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Point out the modem. https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda-motorcycle/500-MOTO/R...

You are confusing what currently is for what will be. Even if there is no modem today, what makes you think they won't do one in the future?

You could argue this for any mobile product, including bicycles. There are already subsidized trackers for them. It isn't much of a distance to the future when someone is to just build them into the frame.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

allthetime wrote: post #253
1970-01-01 wrote: post #223

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Motorcycles broadcast an equal amount of data as bicycles.

License plate, drivers license, gas purchases.

That isn't the car manufacturer being evil, that's your government.
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