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The time to do this was 30 years ago. While today we need it more than ever, it is probably already too late: corporations will find those trying to do this and stop them.

Indeed. It started with intercepting letters and couriers, then storing phone calls, radio communications, operating labs to build DNA databases from blood samples, and now large-scale data collection for AI. Archives tie Epstein and Maxwell individually to various companies in those areas, and a truckload of familiar family names show up along them. My assessment is that people like Thiel and Musk are not self-made,…

Don't forget Bill Gates. People generally don't know he's heir of one of the richest banking families in Washington state.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

> only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers? Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

Most of the governments you are talking about are voted on by the people. And when the people care, the governments change. When the people don't care, yes, the government does want lots of data. However, people do often care about such things and that limits the government.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Yep, which is why I'll never buy another car without an ashtray.

That is the only solution unless something radically changes. For me, I will never own a car with any kind of screen on the dash.

You can do that just be aware that you will eventually be spending more than just buying a new car just to keep the current one in good repair. Car collectors get around this because they use have a different car as the daily driver, and their collected car is repaired and only used in parades and such.

You are also turning away a lot of the advances in electric vehicles. Paying for gas in your old car, could be more than payments on a brand new electric car. (that would require a lot of driving.)

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> It's not enough even to have private cars. The solution must be legislation Regarding the importance of legislation versus "just don't buy those", I think this piece [0] seems relevant. To summarize the argument: 1. Consumer choices are never enough to really change things. It's a false promise, one the people making the decisions are happy to let you believe. 2. If you do believe that "voting with your wallet" wor…

The best argument against "voting with your wallet" I heard was following: billionaires have much bigger wallets. They will outvote the rest of us every single time voting with wallet is used as political strategy.

Well, billionaires do have bigger wallets. The common person as a collection has bigger wallets than the billionaires. Remember, too, that the billionaires are not a 100% alignment on everything.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Just here to remind you all about bicycles.

Climate and terrain allowing, bicycles reign supreme as a transport. Especially with all the new adaptive-, electric-, accessible- cycles out there, cars should be "rare but welcome strange guests" in many neighborhoods, downtowns, etc.

As you mentioned, electric bicycles flatten terrains (so do wide gear ranges), and jackets neutralize climate. There seriously isn't anywhere that is inappropriate to cycle. The only major limiting factor for people feeling comfortable biking everywhere is the threat of violence due to people driving cars.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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For those wondering, you can still buy all the major components for a simple pre-computerised car from the aftermarket, and classic cars are definitely going to continue rising in value.

Classic cars are raising in value. Be very careful saying they are worth it. For the average driver, particularly if they're not doing their own maintenance, it eventually comes to the point where keeping that cost of car on the road is going to cost more than just buying a new one. So long as it's only basic maintenance and maybe a simple engine will be built, it's not a big deal. However, as the body starts rusting out and other things start failing, it quickly becomes a much more expensive repair than you realize.

Electric car fans keep talking about how you don't have engine and transmission maintenance, which is true. However, those are also self-contained parts that have a lot of spare parts available and plenty of expertise in maintaining and so you can actually rebuild them as needed and it's not too expensive. There's also a lot of automation in rebuilding those parts. However, if it starts seeing all the body parts failing and the frame rusting out, which will happen eventually, it's much more expensive because there's a lot more labor and parts are often less available.

Don't get me wrong. Most people give up on their cars long before they reach the point that new is cheaper.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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> only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers? Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

Most of the governments you are talking about are voted on by the people. And when the people care, the governments change. When the people don't care, yes, the government does want lots of data. However, people do often care about such things and that limits the government.

> And when the people care, the governments change.

When half of American lives paycheck to paycheck they care about putting food in table instead of petty politics or data collections.

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