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Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by cwmoore »

bluGill wrote: post #212
cute_boi wrote: post #210

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> And when the people care, the governments change. When half of American lives paycheck to paycheck they care about putting food in table instead of petty politics or data collections.

The vast majority of Americans are not working 100 hours a week just trying to get enough for the basics (goodwill clothing, food, and a shelter...). They might be living paycheck to paycheck, but it is with 40-60 hour per week job, and the are living paycheck to paycheck because they spend money when they make it (this is a sensible thing to do with most of your money - though having some emergency and retirement sa…

Not sure how your comment relates to the one it is replying to except to appear to reject its argument in favor of another train of thought. Politics is playdoh. Tax the bots for UBI.

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Post by bluGill »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #176
jjav wrote: post #155

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> We live in a hell of our own creation Well not "our" creation since only a few oligarchs control most of the companies that engage in this. > and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. The same oligarchs control nearly all the legislators, so no way out.

>Well not "our" creation since only a few oligarchs control most of the companies that engage in this Do not excuse the millions upon millions of useful idiots who lent credence to the "rulers" stupid projects at every step of the way. A lot of this problem is in the mirror. Those oligarchs would have infinity less power if a whole bunch of people din't agree with them. I mean hell, go look at HN comments from before…

I constantly learn the hard way in politics that unintended consequences dominate long term. Often they are things that seem obvious in hindsight but nobody reasonable thought of in advance (the people that did are unreasonable in other ways and generally right to ignore even though they were right this time)

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bluGill »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #82
Gigachad wrote: post #34

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It's also surprising how little money is being made. If I was buying a new car and there was an option where I could pay 61 cents for the privacy respecting version, it would be a no brainer.

The automotive OEMs are really bad at monetizing this data. How much they make is not how much could be made if the same data was in the hands of more capable entities.

I question how much they could really make though. It seems like my phone has better data on me and where I go - it is always with me and I use it for more things. Thus the car makers have data but it is a lower quality source for more things. The car makers also have less direct actions they can take - they can't show a video ad while I'm driving (unlike many phone apps) and when I'm not driving they can't do anything.

They do have better information about maintenance needs of my car. However they are limited to giving that to the dealer who already can guess most of that anyway.

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Post by rockskon »

lukan wrote: post #121
rockskon wrote: post #53

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In response to someone in another thread who argued against personal privacy, who said "Why do people feel they can behave in a way that can be blackmailed", I responded with the following: --- Yeah, how dare someone do or say anything that some random crazy asshole could use to threaten that person's personal or professional life or even put them in danger of physical harm. To hell with gay kids growing up in very t…

"That person who made a racist joke on Discord when they were 13 years old? That should be able to ruin them when they're 30!" Or society could move on and accept that people progress. Also I am not aware of any instances where 30 year olds were punished for a racist joke they made with 13. The only instance I remotely know, is of a german politician, who made a deeply racist and neonazi pamphlet when he was 17 - and…

In the 2010's, there was an instance of a late-teens/early-20's girl targeted by a group of too-online people for a racist chat log made when she was around 12 or 13 years old. The people went after her dad's business too because of his association with her.

Aside from getting her fired from her job, they also tried to destroy her dad's business.

I get that less-than-10 years isn't a ton of time, but it also represented nearly half her life. People tend to grow up a lot in their teens even if it's still common for there to be some immaturity leftover in their early 20's

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Post by bluGill »

DanielHB wrote: post #194
ehnto wrote: post #80

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Surely it costs more than that to run the internet connection as well. I know they choose to do that for other features and probably get good network deals, but the cost is tangible and I would be surprised if it worked out long term.

The hardest part is managing providers across multiple countries, if you want, for example, connectivity in Kazakhstan you either use a super expensive provider that supports a lot of countries, or you have to set up and manage separate contracts with providers in Kazakhstan. However if you care only about a one or two markets and cars are often already built inside that market...

Cars in in such large numbers that it isn't a big deal to get a bulk deal with each provider seperatly. Though maybe Kazakhstan isn't worth covering at all, I'm not sure what their economy is like.

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Post by kube-system »

sanex wrote: post #72
dingdongditchme wrote: post #45

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oh god yes... but I am carrying my self chosen surveillance device with me every single time I enter a car.

At least your self chosen surveillance device doesn't end up reporting rapid acceleration events to LexisNexis and then Progressive.

Unless you install your insurance company’s app

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Post by 542354234235 »

bluGill wrote: post #205
jjav wrote: post #157

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That is the only solution unless something radically changes. For me, I will never own a car with any kind of screen on the dash.

You can do that just be aware that you will eventually be spending more than just buying a new car just to keep the current one in good repair. Car collectors get around this because they use have a different car as the daily driver, and their collected car is repaired and only used in parades and such. You are also turning away a lot of the advances in electric vehicles. Paying for gas in your old car, could be more…

You are also increasing your risk of death or serious injury. New cars are far safer in a collision than cars made 15-20 years ago.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bluGill »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #223
allthetime wrote: post #40

Just here to remind you all about bicycles.

Motorcycles broadcast an equal amount of data as bicycles.

Are you sure? Motorcycles already have computers, it isn't a stretch to think they could broadcast data about you. Maybe they are a decade behind cars in doing this, but I doubt it is anything else.

Bicycles don't have enough power to spare to broadcast data. (but my ebike could and I wouldn't notice the difference)

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Post by kube-system »

amelius wrote: post #188
vannevar wrote: post #23

Every corporation is trying to spy on you. Why wouldn't they? There is no real punishment, and large reward. As long as that is true, superficial regulations around tracking will always be circumvented or hollowed out. We need fundamental change in the way corporations interact with society, and in what is expected of them.

My bank somehow isn't selling my transaction data to the highest bidder though.

Yes they do, and hedge funds buy it so they have consumer spending data before the rest of the market does.
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