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The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"

It's from Tencent, says it in the article: https://hy.tencent.com/research/hy3

Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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OpenRouter rankings frustrate me, because they show the total number of tokens but they provide no indication of how many unique users a model has. Which means if a surprise model tops the leaderboard one week we can never be sure if it was because a single whale user pushing billions of tokens a day switched to it, or if it represents a genuine community trend towards that model.

Also, while we're pitching new features to openrouter, I'd like to see a "$ spent" chart, which would remove all these huge freebie spikes. It looks like it would be pretty much dominated by claude.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's from Tencent, says it in the article: https://hy.tencent.com/research/hy3

Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.

OpenAI & Anthropic are deeply in bed with US govt, and they need US govt approval before model releases, and all US Companies under various acts need to share data with the govt.

I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous.

If your only opinion on trusting these companies more than one based in China is, they are Chinese then good luck, all the best.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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First model I've tried that gave me back HTML with a "Change Pelican Color" button: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/hy3-preview-pel... (Transcript: https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2a0d8ecd3056a2681319eae8fc3f... )

Haha does it get bonus points for the extra button, or does it fail because html != SVG?

It actually rendered an SVG inline in the HTML page. I just tested the SVG and it renders itself just fine, including colors. So, tbh, I'd say the task has been properly achieved.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

to clarify, probably worthless to AI vendors, but might be useful for third-parties.

Third parties that can be clients of the AI vendor...

If it's worthless to AI vendors, they won't include it in the training corpus, so third parties won't have access to it.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

#56

> it makes sense that a cheaper model would prevail, but only if it offered similar quality You're trying to think logically, which has no place in an AI discussion. :) People just jump to whatever the latest model is. Plenty of people also prefer price to "quality" (which is very subjective). It's new, it's cheap, so people use it. It's likely people will stop using it when something else is cheaper and/or newer.

Since my employer pays for it, I just select the latest and greatest.

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.

OpenAI & Anthropic are deeply in bed with US govt, and they need US govt approval before model releases, and all US Companies under various acts need to share data with the govt. I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous. If your only opinion on trusting these companies more th…

Well, I mean, just as a legal question I'm not allowed to use Chinese software at work, so yeah that's kind of definitive for me

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.

OpenAI & Anthropic are deeply in bed with US govt, and they need US govt approval before model releases, and all US Companies under various acts need to share data with the govt. I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous. If your only opinion on trusting these companies more th…

> and they need US govt approval before model releases

This isn't the case (yet).

Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin

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> Two new models are now beating LLM darling Claude in terms of token usage and by more than 50%? Time for a reminder that OpenRouter leaderboards only show tokens sent through OpenRouter, which most Anthropic API users don’t use.

I would think that's true for all the models on OR. The data is skewed for sure, but it's interesting none the less.
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