For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
It's from Tencent, says it in the article: https://hy.tencent.com/research/hy3
The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
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#52OpenRouter rankings frustrate me, because they show the total number of tokens but they provide no indication of how many unique users a model has. Which means if a surprise model tops the leaderboard one week we can never be sure if it was because a single whale user pushing billions of tokens a day switched to it, or if it represents a genuine community trend towards that model.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's from Tencent, says it in the article: https://hy.tencent.com/research/hy3
Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.
I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous.
If your only opinion on trusting these companies more than one based in China is, they are Chinese then good luck, all the best.
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#54First model I've tried that gave me back HTML with a "Change Pelican Color" button: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/hy3-preview-pel... (Transcript: https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2a0d8ecd3056a2681319eae8fc3f... )
Haha does it get bonus points for the extra button, or does it fail because html != SVG?
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
to clarify, probably worthless to AI vendors, but might be useful for third-parties.
Third parties that can be clients of the AI vendor...
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#56> it makes sense that a cheaper model would prevail, but only if it offered similar quality You're trying to think logically, which has no place in an AI discussion. :) People just jump to whatever the latest model is. Plenty of people also prefer price to "quality" (which is very subjective). It's new, it's cheap, so people use it. It's likely people will stop using it when something else is cheaper and/or newer.
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.
OpenAI & Anthropic are deeply in bed with US govt, and they need US govt approval before model releases, and all US Companies under various acts need to share data with the govt. I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous. If your only opinion on trusting these companies more th…
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#58Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right but Tencent is a massive half-state-controlled holding company so that's not really helpful.
OpenAI & Anthropic are deeply in bed with US govt, and they need US govt approval before model releases, and all US Companies under various acts need to share data with the govt. I mean sure there are investors and a little more open-ness, but with the example of Mythos we don't even know if public will get access to the "good" stuff because it's too dangerous. If your only opinion on trusting these companies more th…
This isn't the case (yet).
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#60> Two new models are now beating LLM darling Claude in terms of token usage and by more than 50%? Time for a reminder that OpenRouter leaderboards only show tokens sent through OpenRouter, which most Anthropic API users don’t use.