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> I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it Your business data is probably worthless, even considered harmful for the pretrain corpus. Your interactions and decision making process are most valuable parts of the whole business.
>Your business data is probably worthless please tell me you are not in charge of the data of any business I'm a client of
For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
You don't need to know who developed the LLM - whether it was Google or OpenAI. What you need to know is who is the provider for the LLM, and whether their endpoints are zero data retention enabled and opted out of training. OpenRouter gives you an easy way to control this.
Its of course highly dependant on the use case and the environment, but simply saying that the only important part is to know where the data goes is too simple.
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How can openrouter control what LLM provider does with your data on their side?
OpenRouter and the provider sign a contract clearly specifying how input data is to be handled. It's the same way we trust OpenAI to not train on our data if we've opted out although there is no control on whether they can retain the data indefinitely.
And even if they dont train on the data. Who guarantees us, they dont let another AI model analyse all the data, exfiltrating all kinds of intelligence and using it? I only can imagine what OpenAI and Anthropic know….
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>Your business data is probably worthless please tell me you are not in charge of the data of any business I'm a client of
to clarify, probably worthless to AI vendors, but might be useful for third-parties.
OpenRouter rankings frustrate me, because they show the total number of tokens but they provide no indication of how many unique users a model has. Which means if a surprise model tops the leaderboard one week we can never be sure if it was because a single whale user pushing billions of tokens a day switched to it, or if it represents a genuine community trend towards that model.
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OpenRouter and the provider sign a contract clearly specifying how input data is to be handled. It's the same way we trust OpenAI to not train on our data if we've opted out although there is no control on whether they can retain the data indefinitely.
I really dont want to be cynic but those guys gave a flying f””” about copyright while scraping the whole internet. How can I ever trust them to respect the oot-out setting. I cant. Thieves be thieves. And even if they dont train on the data. Who guarantees us, they dont let another AI model analyse all the data, exfiltrating all kinds of intelligence and using it? I only can imagine what OpenAI and Anthropic know….
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How can openrouter control what LLM provider does with your data on their side?
OpenRouter and the provider sign a contract clearly specifying how input data is to be handled. It's the same way we trust OpenAI to not train on our data if we've opted out although there is no control on whether they can retain the data indefinitely.
Ask yourself
1. How would you know the provider has violated the contract?
2. How could you prove it?
3. Why would OpenRouter take your side in this (unlike your example with OpenAI, you're not a signing party)?
4. How would OpenRouter enforce the contract after all three above are somehow resolved in your favor?
IANAL, but IMO it's all a legal theater.
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I really dont want to be cynic but those guys gave a flying f””” about copyright while scraping the whole internet. How can I ever trust them to respect the oot-out setting. I cant. Thieves be thieves. And even if they dont train on the data. Who guarantees us, they dont let another AI model analyse all the data, exfiltrating all kinds of intelligence and using it? I only can imagine what OpenAI and Anthropic know….
Scraping the internet isn't a copyright violation. Using it for LLM training is much more transformative than Google and Internet Archive, which are legal.
And just like that, I totally agree with you
For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
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> I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it Your business data is probably worthless, even considered harmful for the pretrain corpus. Your interactions and decision making process are most valuable parts of the whole business.
>Your business data is probably worthless please tell me you are not in charge of the data of any business I'm a client of